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#31 Giles Falconer

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 08:47 AM

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer...seeing as England and France had refused to sign an anti-Nazi pact with the USSR.


Since this was a phrase given to the Godfather by Mario Puzo in his novel, I can't think of a better real person to attribute it to than Stalin.... :lol:

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 08:54 AM

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer...seeing as England and France had refused to sign an anti-Nazi pact with the USSR.


Since this was a phrase given to the Godfather by Mario Puzo in his novel, I can't think of a better real person to attribute it to than Stalin.... :lol:


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Posted 11 June 2009 - 04:44 PM

Most wars are caused by argumentative self righteous megalomaniacs, or ignorance :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 12:53 AM

Daffyd, to be fair you asked for examples of a war Stalin started, whatever his reasons were are irrelevant. The Finnish weren't going to be consoled by the fact that Stalin was fighting in self defensive against a third party.

Oh, and north of ireland.......can of worms!

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 04:37 AM

Daffyd, to be fair you asked for examples of a war Stalin started, whatever his reasons were are irrelevant. The Finnish weren't going to be consoled by the fact that Stalin was fighting in self defensive against a third party.

Oh, and north of ireland.......can of worms!


It's Dafydd not Daffyd by the way.

This thread proves that Stalin can in no way be compared to megalomaniacs and warmongers like Hitler, Mussolini, Churchill, Asquith and Wilson, never mind Kennedy, Blair, Bush and Clinton.

Case closed.
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Posted 12 June 2009 - 09:14 AM

Capitalism was the cause of virtually every war in the 20th (and 21st) century.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:21 AM

Daffyd, to be fair you asked for examples of a war Stalin started, whatever his reasons were are irrelevant. The Finnish weren't going to be consoled by the fact that Stalin was fighting in self defensive against a third party.

Oh, and north of ireland.......can of worms!


It's Dafydd not Daffyd by the way.

This thread proves that Stalin can in no way be compared to megalomaniacs and warmongers like Hitler, Mussolini, Churchill, Asquith and Wilson, never mind Kennedy, Blair, Bush and Clinton.

Case closed.


It may prove that to you, but it certainly doesn't to me! Except, of course, to show (yet again, should that be necessary) that of all the monsters of the 20th C Stalin deserves the title of the worst, most paranoid and most dangerous. To compare him favourably with Asquith (or Wilson) is bizarre and peverse.

But, hey, it's a free country...

(Unlike Stalin's USSR, of course)

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 12:02 PM

Interesting view, that if you challenge your opponents to provide evidence (When did Stalin ever start a war) and they do so, then the appropriate response is to change the challenge (ah, but that war was justified).
I'll have to remember that one.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 01:12 PM

Daffyd, to be fair you asked for examples of a war Stalin started, whatever his reasons were are irrelevant. The Finnish weren't going to be consoled by the fact that Stalin was fighting in self defensive against a third party.

Oh, and north of ireland.......can of worms!


It's Dafydd not Daffyd by the way.

This thread proves that Stalin can in no way be compared to megalomaniacs and warmongers like Hitler, Mussolini, Churchill, Asquith and Wilson, never mind Kennedy, Blair, Bush and Clinton.

Case closed.


It may prove that to you, but it certainly doesn't to me! Except, of course, to show (yet again, should that be necessary) that of all the monsters of the 20th C Stalin deserves the title of the worst, most paranoid and most dangerous. To compare him favourably with Asquith (or Wilson) is bizarre and peverse.

But, hey, it's a free country...

(Unlike Stalin's USSR, of course)


Your argument would struggle to get an E grade at GCSE, which again proves my point.
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Posted 12 June 2009 - 01:14 PM

Interesting view, that if you challenge your opponents to provide evidence (When did Stalin ever start a war) and they do so, then the appropriate response is to change the challenge (ah, but that war was justified).
I'll have to remember that one.


Don't mention it, glad to be of service.
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Posted 12 June 2009 - 05:52 PM

Interesting view, that if you challenge your opponents to provide evidence (When did Stalin ever start a war) and they do so, then the appropriate response is to change the challenge (ah, but that war was justified).
I'll have to remember that one.


Don't mention it, glad to be of service.



With all due respect Dafydd, people have written comments as to how Stalin had started a war, example the Russio-Finnish war. The actual thread, again referring back to what was being asked “Most frequent causes of 20th Century Wars” can open up so much debate as to whether Stalin had caused or contributed to the of start any war during the 20th Century. That’s the beauty about it! As people have mentioned on this thread it doesn’t matter why they started, as that was not the question asked in the first place. You asked the question, you were given the answer, and for you to “change the challenge”, in which you have openly said u are “glad to be of service” I think it would be you receiving the E at Gcse, as you have totally gone off the point of what was being asked....funnily enough by you!



CASE closed.

Edited by claire_duffs, 12 June 2009 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 12 June 2009 - 05:56 PM

Interesting view, that if you challenge your opponents to provide evidence (When did Stalin ever start a war) and they do so, then the appropriate response is to change the challenge (ah, but that war was justified).
I'll have to remember that one.


Don't mention it, glad to be of service.



With all due respect Daffyd, people have written comments as to how Stalin had started a war, example the Russio-Finnish war. The actual thread, again referring back to what was being asked “Most frequent causes of 20th Century Wars” can open up so much debate as to whether Stalin had caused or contributed to the start any war during the 20th Century. That’s the beauty about it! As people have mentioned on this thread it doesn’t matter why they started, as that was not the question asked in the first place. You asked the question, you were given the answer, and for you to “change the challenge”, in which you have openly said u are “glad to be of service” I think it would be you receiving the E at Gcse, as you have totally gone off the point of what was being asked.



CASE closed.


Clare - one war does not make a monster. Clinton attacked more countries in his brief tenure, while Stalin (and the Soviet people) saved the world from Fascist domination.

I merely pointed out the obvious brainwashing that had taken place on some of the contributors to this thread. CIA is a very powerful organisation.

Case reopened, sorted, and closed again.

Edited by Dafydd Humphreys, 12 June 2009 - 05:57 PM.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 06:01 PM

With all due respect Daffyd, people have written comments as to how Stalin had started a war, example the Russio-Finnish war. The actual thread, again referring back to what was being asked “Most frequent causes of 20th Century Wars” can open up so much debate as to whether Stalin had caused or contributed to the start any war during the 20th Century. That’s the beauty about it! As people have mentioned on this thread it doesn’t matter why they started, as that was not the question asked in the first place. You asked the question, you were given the answer, and for you to “change the challenge”, in which you have openly said u are “glad to be of service” I think it would be you receiving the E at Gcse, as you have totally gone off the point of what was being asked.



CASE closed.
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Clare - one war does not make a monster. Clinton attacked more countries in his brief tenure, while Stalin (and the Soviet people) saved the world from Fascist domination.

I merely pointed out the obvious brainwashing that had taken place on some of the contributors to this thread. CIA is a very powerful organisation.

Case reopened, sorted, and closed again.
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Yes that's great to know about Clinton, but as I said already, you asked the question. the questions being "errr...could you tell me how Stalin started a War?" Your example of Clinton does not change this fact, in fact COMPLETELY irrelevant! Also, I edited my post as I realized I spelled your name incorrectly. For you to actually highlight my name being mis-spelt is actually quite petty.

#44 Dafydd Humphreys

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 06:20 PM

Claire - thanks for making the effort with the spelling.

Some wars are worth starting - otherwise why all the D-Day celebrations?
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Posted 12 June 2009 - 08:45 PM

Is it Ferguson that sees WW2 as an unjustified/unjustifiable war?
Why stop Hitler taking Poland?
Did the people of Danzig not want to be part of Germany?
How many deaths was Hitler responsible for before WW2? How many was Stalin responsible for?
60 million deaths - worth it?? Really????
Why not just let Germany invade Russia and have a Russia vs. Germany fight for continental Europe?
How much money did the USA have invested in Nazi Germany?
How did Hitler controlling Eastern Europe threaten Britain and France?
How did the British press portray Hitler before WW2?
How did British leaders regard him? Lloyd George? Lord Londonderry- not quite a leader but not peripheral either.
Spanish Civil War - Britain worried about fascism in 1935 or more than happy to help a Dictator?

Some questions my HOD asked me during our first discussion on WW2!!!! Thought I'd share.
He also gave me 'The Myth of the Good War'. Food for thought.

I think we need to be prepared to challenge any and every interpretation which, of course, is why I am so confused all the time! HAHA.

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