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#31 JenniferJames

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 04:21 PM

History is always the subject that everyone has an opinion on! Someone look into the maths curriculum ;-P
Everyone thinks that all school children should know whatever History they think is important- this starts to add up to a lot of stuff we have to cover!

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#32 Ed Waller

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:05 PM

History is always the subject that everyone has an opinion on! Someone look into the maths curriculum ;-P
Everyone thinks that all school children should know whatever History they think is important- this starts to add up to a lot of stuff we have to cover!

J x

As a corollary.. It's also the one where all the 'voices' know some part of one of the stories so they can all 'do' history because it's only about remembering five facts (see Nick D elsewhere!). Yet not everyone knows the cosine rule, or what 3,4,5 mean in trig (sorry, "shape")
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#33 JenniferJames

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:44 PM

"corollary" -Good word!

#34 Kay Devonshire

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:34 PM

and when will this new curriculum be enforced on us? Do we get a choice? I'd be very tempted to ignore anything they come up with.


ditto.

We've worked bloody hard to write a curriculum that is broad, engaging and definitely not "boring" as these narrow minded, ignorant idiots claim.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 08:55 PM

I've just returned from a 4 day school visit to France and Belgium...and checked my emails.

Is this correct?

  • Primary curriculum changes that were due to go ahead scrapped
  • stopping the Diploma in humanities, sciences and languages
  • New Key Stage 3 levels for the new 2008 curriculum changes no longer apply and the old levels stay

Ministers have also decided not to proceed with the revised level descriptions which were due to come into force for Key Stage 3 from this September. Secondary schools should therefore continue to use existing level descriptions.


www.education.gov.uk/curriculum
www.education.gov.uk/news/news/nationalcurriculum




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#36 Ed Podesta

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:20 PM

I actually liked the new NC level descriptors. I'm depressed that so much thought can go into something, and yet all NC descriptors are thrown out together. Also the NC descriptors will no longer match up with the NC requirements as well as they currently do.

Returning to the old NC doesn't sound like a step forward to me. The history NC was much more prescriptive - and if we're talking of a return to the 'original' NC - my goodness that was really prescriptive. Finally we get a curriculum drafted by history teachers and it's taken away from us... Posted Image

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:22 PM

I've just returned from a 4 day school visit to France and Belgium...and checked my emails.

Is this correct?

  • Primary curriculum changes that were due to go ahead scrapped
  • stopping the Diploma in humanities, sciences and languages
  • New Key Stage 3 levels for the new 2008 curriculum changes no longer apply and the old levels stay

Ministers have also decided not to proceed with the revised level descriptions which were due to come into force for Key Stage 3 from this September. Secondary schools should therefore continue to use existing level descriptions.


www.education.gov.uk/curriculum
www.education.gov.uk/news/news/nationalcurriculum




I only went away for a few days and so much has changed!


I can't believe this - revert to the original level descriptors? - Do they have any idea how much time we have all put into revising our schemes of work? These people are total fools.

#38 Ed Waller

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:09 PM

I can't believe this - revert to the original level descriptors? - Do they have any idea how much time we have all put into revising our schemes of work? These people are total fools.


I'm sure their view has been ably expressed elsewhere in this thread. We are seen as loony lefties who are set on a inculcation of a particular ideology, thus this time and effort must be undone. Clearly they know best and can develop a non-ideological NC akin to that of the original.

So it's also bye-bye Becta. As Michael's letter to Ed confirms.
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#39 Dafydd Humphreys

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 03:19 AM

http://www.guardian....my-schools-data
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#40 Chris Garratt

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 08:08 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/10/michael-gove-academy-schools-data


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#41 Luke Mayhew

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 12:33 PM

Oh. My. God.

WHY?!

So in terms of clarification, does the WHOLE NC2008 section of the NC website, need to be completely discounted?!
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#42 Jim Belben

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 04:35 PM

A battle between evidence and hunch in improving schools: Gibb v Hattie http://ow.ly/1Yhni

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#43 Ed Podesta

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 06:33 PM

A battle between evidence and hunch in improving schools: Gibb v Hattie http://ow.ly/1Yhni


What a very interesting blog! Where d'you find it?

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#44 Jim Belben

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 12:37 PM


A battle between evidence and hunch in improving schools: Gibb v Hattie http://ow.ly/1Yhni


What a very interesting blog! Where d'you find it?

Full url is
http://pencilandpapertest.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/the-improving-schools-challenge-nick-gibb-v-john-hattie-round-1/
whom we follow on Twitter - which I have found is a source of surprisingly worthwhile and serious stuff if you follow the right people.

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#45 Roy Huggins

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:59 PM

Two items in the news that may be of interest.Change is in the air - again!
http://news.bbc.co.u...cs/10297182.stm

http://www.guardian....istory-teaching

I'm all for more curriculum time being given over to history and to stop the drift towards thematic curriculum. I'm a fan of the grand narrative with depth studies and finally finishing off with a thematic module!

Roy :jester:

Edited by Roy Huggins, 16 June 2010 - 07:14 PM.

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