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#1 Sarah V.

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 09:26 PM

Hi all,

Not really surprised they are cutting ITT funding, but...

Can someone clarify a point -

I have read that they are getting rid of the bursary for History trainees, but does this also mean that there will be no places on courses - or just that there is no bursary? So, if people really want to train as a teacher they will then have to get by without a bursary - perhaps working alongside their course? - not a great option is it ?- considering the demands of a History PGCE/GTP.

Apparently, the government feels there are enough people trained to teach History - is this true? Is there a surplus of History teachers - what do you think?


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#2 Dan Moorhouse

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 10:18 AM

Hi all,

Not really surprised they are cutting ITT funding, but...

Can someone clarify a point -

I have read that they are getting rid of the bursary for History trainees, but does this also mean that there will be no places on courses - or just that there is no bursary?


A bit of both at the moment. There'll be no bursary available but courses will run. However there has been a year on year reduction in the number of ITT places available for History in the last half a dozen years - possibly longer? This will make it quite hard to get onto a course for a lot of potentially very good history teachers.

So, if people really want to train as a teacher they will then have to get by without a bursary - perhaps working alongside their course? - not a great option is it ?- considering the demands of a History PGCE/GTP.


Correct. Not sure what loans etc are available though.

Apparently, the government feels there are enough people trained to teach History - is this true? Is there a surplus of History teachers - what do you think?


Sarah


ITT places are based on projected need for teachers based on the age of current teachers; demand for the subject etc... The TDA has a forumla to calculate it - so in theory there shouldn't be a shortage. However this is partly because of the introduction of theme based curriculums, use of non specialists etc. Personally I think that once the E Bacc is being used in league tables that there'll be a recognised shortage as schools look for more specialised teaching of History at KS3 and KS4 (but I might be wrong...).

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 11:36 AM

Thanks Dan - very informative.

I agree with your final point about the E-Bacc too - I think they may see demand for History teachers rise in the near future. (Depending on governement changes too of course!)

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 11:48 AM

Thanks Dan - very informative.

I agree with your final point about the E-Bacc too - I think they may see demand for History teachers rise in the near future. (Depending on governement changes too of course!)


TES had an article about this last week in which they said: 'Teacher recruitment expert John Howson said the EBac could make supply of history teachers a particular problem. His research, completed before the new measure was introduced, showed there was already a shortage, with only enough new teachers to meet 86% of the current demand in history.' See http://ow.ly/3NXTl

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#5 Kat Kearey

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 05:22 PM

These are interesting developments - especially for me as I'm looking for my first teaching post at the moment. I hope a consequence of the EBacc will be that specialist history teachers will be properly valued!

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 12:25 AM

These are interesting developments - especially for me as I'm looking for my first teaching post at the moment. I hope a consequence of the EBacc will be that specialist history teachers will be properly valued!


Depends on where you are in the country and what the school budgets look like at the moment.

#7 Kat Kearey

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 05:53 PM


These are interesting developments - especially for me as I'm looking for my first teaching post at the moment. I hope a consequence of the EBacc will be that specialist history teachers will be properly valued!


Depends on where you are in the country and what the school budgets look like at the moment.


I'm in the south west but would be willing to relocate to other spots in the south ... at the moment there's only been one vacancy I could apply for without having to move, and it's at an outstanding school so I expect competition to be extremely fierce! Everyone keeps saying there'll be more coming up towards Easter but I can't help feeling very apprehensive, I like to have things sorted and know what's happening.




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