I'd also add that us historians are an argumentative bunch of so and so's (my other half would agree). We have been trained to argue and question. Holly, don't let it put you off. I think the work you ahve done is fantastic and will definitely be passing it on to my colleagues in my school.
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Teaching History of the British Isles and Wales, Scotland and Ireland
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 10:40 AM
......I have the body of a weak and feeble woman
but I have the heart and stomach of a King!
but I have the heart and stomach of a King!
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 03:24 PM
Thanks - caught me at a low point!
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I'd also add that us historians are an argumentative bunch of so and so's (my other half would agree). We have been trained to argue and question. Holly, don't let it put you off. I think the work you ahve done is fantastic and will definitely be passing it on to my colleagues in my school.
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 06:33 PM
First of all can I say a big thanks to Holly for the SoW..
It's been a pleasure to read the debate, too. Mal is right to point out that historians argue quite a bit.
Ultimately it is impossible to find a label for these islands that it devoid of connotation, and therefore devoid of (the potential?) to offend/upset/annoy. I suspect that in the fullness of time (i.e. just about when we are trying to write/implement linear GCSE schemes of work) we'll have another set of NC 'guidelines' that we can row* about further (and probably less among ourselves than with others)
The debate we are having here would fit very well into a set of lessons on representation/interpretation. The term "British" only truly gains potential to be offensive when linked to the word "Empire" (and hence the view that it is anglocentric) because it came to mean a lot more than just being a convenient way to refer to a few bits and pieces off the European mainland. It's not really about Angles and Saxons and Vikings and Romans and Caledonii and Brigantes and Iceni and Ikea and their various genetic-cultural-social-political (etc) legacies.
You could see a good project somewhere devising an appropriate name for the "British Isles" that followed on from Holly's sow, rather like the SHP 8 book asks students to give it a name...(£5 please Ian!)
*the benefit of being a set of islands...
It's been a pleasure to read the debate, too. Mal is right to point out that historians argue quite a bit.
Ultimately it is impossible to find a label for these islands that it devoid of connotation, and therefore devoid of (the potential?) to offend/upset/annoy. I suspect that in the fullness of time (i.e. just about when we are trying to write/implement linear GCSE schemes of work) we'll have another set of NC 'guidelines' that we can row* about further (and probably less among ourselves than with others)
The debate we are having here would fit very well into a set of lessons on representation/interpretation. The term "British" only truly gains potential to be offensive when linked to the word "Empire" (and hence the view that it is anglocentric) because it came to mean a lot more than just being a convenient way to refer to a few bits and pieces off the European mainland. It's not really about Angles and Saxons and Vikings and Romans and Caledonii and Brigantes and Iceni and Ikea and their various genetic-cultural-social-political (etc) legacies.
You could see a good project somewhere devising an appropriate name for the "British Isles" that followed on from Holly's sow, rather like the SHP 8 book asks students to give it a name...(£5 please Ian!)
*the benefit of being a set of islands...
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 08:07 PM
I wouldn't worry.
Who was it said: 'Publish and be damned!'
Commonly attributed to the Duke of Wellington, I believe.
I thought it was Rebekah Wade/Brooks...
Nice one !
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 10:34 PM
I don't think she wouldI'd also add that us historians are an argumentative bunch of so and so's (my other half would agree).
"A parent can bring a child into this world, but a child can bring a parent into the world to come." - from the Talmud
"Had Churchill been a stable and equable man, he could never have inspired the nation. In 1940, when all the odds were against Britain, a leader of sober judgement might well have concluded we were finished. - Anthony Storr
"Had Churchill been a stable and equable man, he could never have inspired the nation. In 1940, when all the odds were against Britain, a leader of sober judgement might well have concluded we were finished. - Anthony Storr
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Posted 08 July 2011 - 12:49 AM
To quote a famous source: that's not an argument, that's contradiction.I don't think she would
I'd also add that us historians are an argumentative bunch of so and so's (my other half would agree).
And you say...
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Posted 08 July 2011 - 10:49 AM
Monty Python - Argument "I could be arguing in my spare time"To quote a famous source: that's not an argument, that's contradiction.
I don't think she would
I'd also add that us historians are an argumentative bunch of so and so's (my other half would agree).
And you say...
"A parent can bring a child into this world, but a child can bring a parent into the world to come." - from the Talmud
"Had Churchill been a stable and equable man, he could never have inspired the nation. In 1940, when all the odds were against Britain, a leader of sober judgement might well have concluded we were finished. - Anthony Storr
"Had Churchill been a stable and equable man, he could never have inspired the nation. In 1940, when all the odds were against Britain, a leader of sober judgement might well have concluded we were finished. - Anthony Storr
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Posted 08 July 2011 - 04:21 PM
No Tony - you couldn't.Monty Python - Argument "I could be arguing in my spare time"
To quote a famous source: that's not an argument, that's contradiction.
And you say...
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