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#1 kblaza

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 08:52 AM

Hi all,

I have a firm offer for the University of Hull History PGCE course, starting September 2012. I also have an application in for the GTP course, and wondered which course people on here thought would be the best option?

I know I would have to take on extra debt for the PGCE, and would receive less money (9K bursary for having a first in my degree), but I am more interested in which would be best for my career in the future. I have been led to believe that this government is pushing more towards teachers having come in through the vocational (GTP and Teach First) route?

Thanks for your help,

Karl

#2 Jenjane

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 02:28 PM

Hi all,

I have a firm offer for the University of Hull History PGCE course, starting September 2012. I also have an application in for the GTP course, and wondered which course people on here thought would be the best option?

I know I would have to take on extra debt for the PGCE, and would receive less money (9K bursary for having a first in my degree), but I am more interested in which would be best for my career in the future. I have been led to believe that this government is pushing more towards teachers having come in through the vocational (GTP and Teach First) route?

Thanks for your help,

Karl

Hi,
my personal opinion is that PGCE is better for several reasons: you are still a student and the classes genuinely belong to someone else that you are training with (some GTP schools can 'forget' that you are a trainee when you become a full time member of staff), you learn the craft of being a history teacher rather than just being a teacher (if you are the only one on your GTP course, you may have limited access to other trainees in History and other styles of History teaching) it appears that there is less paperwork for a PGCE course. Of course, this is just based on what I have experienced and I did a PGCE.... BUT I trained 13 years ago, so I am sure that there are many who will put the case for GTP to balance the argument.
Jane

#3 Will M

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:24 PM

I don't think the government fully knows what it is after, one moment they want teaching to be a masters level profession the next they want training to be done in school... see the threads devoted to Michael Gove for further info... But does that really matter, or is what matters the quality of the training you receive?

My personal point of view is that PGCE's offer the chance for reflection within your course and other trainees to talk to and compare and contrast experiences with, last year I found this really valuable. you will also be put in History departments vetted by the university and will experience 2 or 3 contrasting schools. By contrast with the GTP/Teachfirst routes there is better pay and you get your own classes straight away. This naturally leads to there being less support and in some cases I am aware of trainees have been either the only trainee, or in extreme cases, the only subject specialists in the school. To my mind the quality control element on a university course means you are getting training which will set you up to be a better teacher in the long run. The decision is not an easy one to make as the financial elements need to be weighed up as well. Anyway, in your position, I know what I'd do... You already have the offer, take it and stop the worry and hassle now, spend the time you would be planning for interviews on improving your subject knowledge and then enjoy next year.

Finally to clear up any confusion, yes I am biassed, I did my PGCE last year.

#4 Meg1

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:12 PM

Hi Karl,

I'm currently an NQT, having done my PGCE last year. I have to say that I can see it from both sides!

I think personally that through a PGCE you will get a kind of support that you will never see again as a teacher! I really enjoyed getting to share ideas, experiences etc with the other trainees and our tutors were very innovative and supportive.

Being a new teacher (both as a trainee and NQT) can be a very stressful time, and having the other trainees around on my PGCE was not only comforting (sharing both triumph and horror stories) but it did expose me to a lot of ideas that I might not have come across had I done a GTP. Ideas which made me the teacher I am today to be honest.

Obviously the advantage of a GTP is the money, and don't get me wrong I do enjoy being paid (immensely) this year but last year on my PGCE I really enjoyed the fact that I got to spend much more time creating lessons and concentrating on my classroom practice (which for me was the most important thing), not to mention having advice and support from my uni tutors, other PGCE students, my mentor in school and the other teachers.

I would say go with what feels right, but with the financial times we are living in, nothing is guaranteed! If you have an offer for a PGCE grab it with both hands as I can tell you now there will be many others who will jump to take up that place!

Meg

#5 kblaza

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:51 AM

Thanks for your replies everyone. I have an interview with the GTP provider in 2 weeks time, so if I am lucky enough to get a place I have a while to think about my best option.

The school I am currently working as a TA for are great for taking on employment-based trainees, I think we currently have 5 GTPs, and 3 Teach Firsts, so I know there will be plenty of support should I get a place here. If not, I am in a great position of having a confirmed PGCE place which takes the pressure off. One massive plus for the PGCE for me is that I get to put myself out there at a couple of different schools, and make myself known to them.

I will let you know what I decide!

Karl




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