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#1 sandy

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:53 AM

I have just been informed that as from september this year we will only have one lesson of history every two weeks for our new year 7's. This is because all students will undertake a course called Learning to Learn. We started this last september at our school with the low ability year 7s which reduced the amount of students taking history lessons. I have tried to be involved in how History is incorporated into one of the modules but the dept head of L2L already had a plan that i had to squeeze history topics into. Has anyone had any experience of this because i am really worried about the reduction in history time.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:21 PM

Well according to the proposed changes 5A*-C with E&M will go to be replaced by the Ebacc so good luck to any SLT cutting time from any Hums subject.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:27 PM

i am told that ofsted love this idea.
but in reality i am concerned that SLT are being short sighted here and the overall impact on history could be bad.
they are clearly ignoring Ebacc

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:11 PM

Somethig else will give instead eventually like Tech

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:47 PM

i am told that ofsted love this idea.



When this was imposed upon me I simply included a scattering of comments in the dept. SEF stating where progress would be hindered, I wrote a Year 7 overview assessment for the end of the year, which gave me evidence of regression (as I planned) then wrote a 2 year KS3, and added this to the SEF, showing how the GCSE students would be affected.
I know it is hard, but I would recommend that you have nothing to do with the L2L and simply produce a reduced programme for Y7s and make sure you explain why the Y8s begin at such a low level, I say it is hard as I spent two years having my levels altered by SLT as they were 'lower than their English'.
stick to your guns and let the L2L programme crumble.
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#6 Ade Gill

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 12:10 PM

We had something similar a couple of years ago, but when our new head took over 2 years ago, first thing he did was scrap it!

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 08:06 PM

the problem for us is our head is new and some bright spark introduced thsi to him in his 2nd year and he has gone for it. It is his 3rd year in september and we expect ofsted so i am very concerned.
from what Ade and Tony say i may have to be patient and wait for someone to realise it is a bad idea.
Tony can you tell me if your L2L did actually crumble and how long it took?
thanks for your advice, i think i will ignore requests to be involved then, not that they listen to me much when they introduced it.
history was shoe horned into a module about magic so i withdrew my advice.
this is the problem when non specialist are given a new project to do to justify their AST role (in dance of all things)

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 09:46 PM

Tony can you tell me if your L2L did actually crumble and how long it took?

the head left the year after me, so it went with him
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#9 Giles Falconer

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:09 AM

history was shoe horned into a module about magic so i withdrew my advice.
this is the problem when non specialist are given a new project to do to justify their AST role (in dance of all things)


I'm tempted to say that if Mr Gove gets to read this it will confirm all his and his supporters worst opinions on state education... I mean, it isn't April 1st is it?

#10 sandy

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:14 AM

thanks Giles
cant help but feel the same
but at least with the comments being made here i know i am right to be concerned.

#11 Maggie Smith

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:23 AM

Our students do this too - we had to fill in a questionnaire in March about the impact this had in our lessons

We all replied that if they told us what they did, we may be able to comment! So far no answer!

We also have 100 minutes lesson, which have had a massive impact on time. In year 9 for example, students went from 240 minutes every 2 weeks to 150 = 90 mins lost every 2 weeks.
This works out to around 18 hours a year - easily half a term

There seems to be a 'Hit History' squad - maybe Mr Gove will sort this! Can't believe I just said that!

#12 sandy

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:32 PM

you may all be interested to know that the idea to roll learning to learn out to all y7s got shelved.
thank god for that
many staff being given this to teach began to cause problems

teaching the y8s that did this last year has shown me just how useless it is anyway.
have had to start y8 with them revisiting some important y7 history.
cant see what learnign skills they have accumulated yet but listening and participating in their own learning isnt one of them.




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