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A PGCE Diary 2004/5 From those who are living it Rate Topic: ***** 1 Votes

#16 Guest_Tems, David_*

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 08:25 AM

Hey everyone,

I've been trying to register for this site for ages but for some reason it wouldn't let me. Anyway, have somehow managed to get access now and I just wanted to make a quick post to say that I think this is a great idea and I'll add my two pennys' worth this evening. That said, I think I'll just echo everything that everyone else has said so its probably worth stating the obvious: that there are thousands of teachers out there who have been through this and come out the other end and on the whole enjoy their jobs. Concerns about lack of subject knowledge and heavy workload (amongst other things) are common place but so long as we keep on top of it it can't be beyond us. After all, we were selected to be on the course, our tutors must have seen something in us....even if we might struggle to see it at the moment!

Best Wishes,

Dave :D
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#17 User is offline   Paul J

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 08:46 PM

I concur with the general opinion that the PGCE area of the forum is a great addition. I know that I, and many who I trained with, would have found it a valuable and useful place to let off steam and generate ideas. Just a few words then from somone who went through the process last year. In reply to rksullivan I'm not sure that you are supposed to know the difference between your PDP, lesson plan file, professional studies file and all the rest yet, I'm not sure I know the difference now.

The first few weeks tend to be very theory heavy, but do take the time to get to know others on the course, they can provide invaluable support later in the year, for advice, a friendly ear or just a beer at the end of the week.

If possible set up a forum for the members of your PGCE group, to share practice and expriences both good and bad, and point them towards this site of course.

Try not to worry too much about the first placement, you'll be surprised how receptive students can be, even to someone on teacher training, if you have confidence, are well prepared and demonstrate an enthusiasm for being in the classroom.

Try to remember, above all else, to have fun, look for the little moments of progress, or when something you try to do comes off, and remember them, if you can do that then your on the way.
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#18 User is offline   Lesley Ann

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 08:53 PM

rksullivan, on Sep 21 2003, 03:14 PM, said:

Just started on a PGCE at Christchurch College Canterbury. 

So far so confusing...I seem to have amassed my own body weight in booklets, handouts, paper I have to have, paper I don't need yet and leaflets!  I can't tell my teaching file from my journal and frankly Im sitting in the Library in a state of deeeep confusion trying to figure out which bit of the 10 million things that have to be handed in this week I should start first!  :huh:

...but seriously...it is heavy going, Im sure things will click in to place (eventually) but it will be good to know that we can support each other, old timers, or terrified newbies like myself.  ;)

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Welcome Ruth!

Arh the first day on the course is rather daunting...bit like your first day at primary school.

My learning curve shot up vertically very fast!

When I got into my placement...I was placed in a school miles away from my digs and had to get up at 6am every morning to get a very early taxi..to travel up the M6....it used to take 90 minutes to travel to the school...I was sooo tired I had to take a nap when I got in from placement before I could start planning lessons.

I spent two hours planning my first lesson and my first worksheet took 3 hours to make...at the time I was kinda concerned how I was ever going to cope being in a fulltime job...but lesson planning and making resources soon become much quicker to do!

Enjoy your PGCE - this is the time you can take risks with lessons...do what you want....experiment with teaching and learning styles!
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#19 User is offline   Rachel Juckes

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Posted 23 September 2003 - 06:00 PM

We have schools!

The list went up on the board this morning. Thankfully I'm in a school about 6 miles away, but given I live about 36 miles from Durham, I think that the situation is probably to the benefit of both parties. I'm quite happy with my placement though, and am really looking forward to going in there next week. monday is the first day. Eek.

Other than that, my brain feels like it is about to explode, and I'm absolutely exhausted.

There was a universal panic of "what if the kids kick off?" "What if I can't control a class?" etc. Simply admitting this to each other helped enormously as there's always the worry that everyone else is going to be fine, and it's only you who's going to have trouble coping. This fear has been partly laid to rest by the visiting NQTs who told us about how it all went wrong for them, but then something happened, and it all worked out ok in the end. We're not being told it will all be rosy, and I do really think that we're getting a painfully honest view of the classroom.

There seems to be so much to take in, and yet I don't think we've even really started the course properly yet.

I hope I survive my first day at the school on Monday, but I have faith. I now expect something to go hideously wrong, and in some ways, I really hope it does as then I'll feel better equipped to cope when something goes wrong to me when I'm on my own.

Hope I don't come across as being deluded and too up myself, but I am feeling really good about all this at the moment. If I do sound too uppity, let's just blame my ignorance of what's yet to come.
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Posted 24 September 2003 - 06:23 PM

Hi everyone,

OK a few things, and when I've written the first part of my assignment before the home improvement marathon on channel 4 and that educational programme on how to be a teacher also on channel four I'll try and post something a bit longer which gives a more detailed and formal approach to my two weeks on the PGCE.

1. Does anyone have any general tips or hints as to what sprt of things I should be getting out of historical visits? So far I've visited Conwy and Beaumaris castle, the Royal Armouries at Leeds and the Thackray medical museum. I've looked up some of the Teaching History articles as well as some of the English Heritage publications but I still feel a little inexperienced. Obviously, to a certain degree it depends on where you visit but I'd be interested to hear any thoughts other PGCE students have on their visits if they've had any. If no-one had then I might put it on the general forum. That said, if any administratirs are reading, er...which one would that be?!

2. God I've forgotten er...................................... :angry: ........ :crazy: ................... :huh: ............................. :unsure: ..............WHAT WAS IT!!!???? oh s** it, I'll just make something up. What sort of assignments are other people getting? Since I'm doing history with citizenship, my first is on the nature and history of the citizenship part of the curriculum. Which is quite an easy introduction but I've noticed the others rely heavily on practical experience. What about you guys?

3. I don't know if I should put this but lets face it, it was bound to happen. I think I've found romance on the hot love history highway. Q to Moderators: who is the guy who has the signature pic of David Brent? I think this conversation should be with him. Its a language thing. You know like appreciating pupil talk: bad is good, wicked is cool, honky tonk is...I don't know but I wish they'd stop calling me that. Anyway, should I or shouldn't I?

Ok guys, I've got 4o mins to summarise a chapter and b***** I've just remembered what I was going to say. It was about lesson plans and I guess it links in a little with the girl thing so maybe I'll post a little later about. Also, mental note to self (in public form) ask about subject knowledge. Am i gonna get shouted at for posting about this sort of thing?!

Best Wishes,

Dave :D
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#21 User is offline   Andrew Field

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Posted 24 September 2003 - 07:13 PM

Hello Dave and welcome to the forum. You have lots of good questions (and a few 'other' questions ;) ). I think what you might like to do is either start a new topic in the PGCE forum for specific PGCE things (just press NEW TOPIC), or if you're after a more general response you can start a new topic on the main area. You should also have a look at the 'find what you're looking for' and 'search' options at the top of the screen. There might be an older topic that you could refer to and / or post your questions in.

This one we're trying to keep a general ongoing topic as a PGCE diary where people post their general experiences they progress through their course. Please feel free to start new posts on other topics as you see fit.


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Posted 25 September 2003 - 10:42 AM

Hey there everyone,

This is a great idea. I was posting last year, and worrying about the same things too! I have now just started at the Institute for Education, awaiting first placement and hoping that it won't be in Hackney (where I live)!

So far it's been enjoyable, and enlightening. I'd be happy to link up with people in the area and swap ideas. I would say that my first essay is all about the debates that have occured over the history curriculum since the 1980's, and that John Simkin's debate about the Summer school has proven very useful for a brief run down of the "new history".

I am reading myself to death, but enjoying it........


Feel free to mail me personally.

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 11:18 AM

Just beginning my third week, apart from being totally knocked out by tonsilitis at the end of last week, I think things are going well. Had some interesting discussions about mixed ability teaching vs. setting and in the curriculum studies part of the course we have been focussing on lesson starters and "ISMs", all quite good but I want to get down to the really nitty-gritty of "doing" lessons now!

We have two weeks to observe in schools starting monday, with particular focus on Year 7 pupils and asking questions relating to our professional studies course. I don't think I'm ready to be let loose on the country's unsuspecting youth yet!

Hope everyone else is doing ok... will keep you posted!
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Posted 29 September 2003 - 05:04 PM

Day one on placement and I survived! :D

I think that taking digestives in with you is always a good way to get them to like you!!

Scary, scary day and I surprised myself when I realised just how terrified of a herd of year 9s I was. :blush:

Other than that, I thought the teaching was great, and I think that I've got some good things from it. Was interesting to spot different methods of teaching by the different teachers.

Am following 5/6 classes tomorrow so once again am terrified at the thought, but am also really looking forward to getting back into it all again tomorrow and will be there bright eyed and bushy tailed at just gone 8am tomorrow morning! :geek:

Rachel (Miss Juckes to you lot at the back!!!)

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 05:32 PM

God, I don't know what’s up with me today but I can't stay awake. I didn't have one drink this weekend and this is how I am repaid!

Well. I guess this is the post that should have been done some time ago. I started my PGCE in Secondary History with Citizenship three weeks ago and its been pretty hectic and a little disheartening.

You start a new course, at a new place, with new people and there’s always something bound to go wrong.

I live in Greater Manchester and I’d had enough trouble finding the place for my interview. I set off at 10:00am for a two o clock interview and only just made it there on time. I’m not a bad driver but I have a sever inability to plan journeys.

So four hours after I set off I got there and had the interview and it went ok and some time later II heard back that I got on. All is well (especially considering that I applied very late and I think the interview was at the end of June? Something like that). Fade forward two months and in an attempt to avoid repeating what happened last time I got a friend to come with me (one of those who knows where, for example, Norfolk is. And furthermore, if you ask him where something is and he doesn’t know he’ll go on about it all night about where he thinks it might be and where it definitely can’t be until he finally finds a road map and declares its true location…..Ipswich?). We did the journey in about 45 mins and I had it written down…mentally in my head. To be fair I think he’d agree with me when I say it was completely his fault I ended up in Wigan that first day. We went the motorway route (i.e. the roads were all prefixed with m’s – this is for when I read this back to myself later otherwise I won’t know what I’m on about) but then he filled my head with all this A580 talk and dual carriage ways with national speed limits and four lanes. What am I supposed to do with that? Somewhere along the line I ended up in St. Helens, since the town’s name clicked in my head when I saw it on a big blue sign and so when I swerved across four lanes of rush hour traffic to take the exit I had a little chuckle to myself. Can’t find my way eh? Think again. Well, one of us did.

To cut a long story short, it took me just two hours and I managed to traverse my way by complete luck to the college at exactly the time I should have been there. I admit I get lost a lot but I always seem to find my way there on time! Into introductory lectures and the sort which all proved to be a promising start to a demanding course.

I guess that’s it really. It’s a shame that since some on the course have family responsibilities and so many more of us have to commute fairly long distances that we won’t be able to socialise in a more relaxed, informal and oh yes lets say it inebriated manner but that’s a small price to pay for having such affable people on the course to work with. Having said that, we’re off to Liverpool tomorrow to see the Maritime Museum and do a town trail before all staying around when we’ve finished for a drink of the alcoholic variety. The problem is, I have to catch a train……Something I’ve never done before……….Is anyone free tomorrow at about six o clock?

Dave :D

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Posted 30 September 2003 - 12:09 PM

There's practically no opportunity for a social life with our course either, from the first day they have been telling us that it is not a fourth year of university but the first year of our professional training and career. Phew! Nothing has been organised for us to get to know each other, we have received nothing from the Students Union about Fresher's week/ sport/ societies etc. I'm actually quite annoyed about it, I'm not 18 any more, I don't plan to be drunk every night, but a couple of get-togethers and the chance to unwind with my fellow PGCE-ers would be nice. Hmph!
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Posted 01 October 2003 - 12:17 PM

The train thing went better than expected and only the virgin ticket office confused me because I knew the train I needed to catch was a great north western. Anyway turns out they sell all the tickets anyway and since it was my first time it seemed appropriate I buy it from them.


The only other thing was that despite managing to find the station and get on a train back to Manchester, I fell asleep on the metrolink and went to Bury only to be still on the tram when it went back to Manchester! Oh the joys of drinking!

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Posted 01 October 2003 - 01:28 PM

Lou Phillips, on Sep 30 2003, 01:09 PM, said:

There's practically no opportunity for a social life with our course either, from the first day they have been telling us that it is not a fourth year of university but the first year of our professional training and career. Phew! Nothing has been organised for us to get to know each other, we have received nothing from the Students Union about Fresher's week/ sport/ societies etc. I'm actually quite annoyed about it, I'm not 18 any more, I don't plan to be drunk every night, but a couple of get-togethers and the chance to unwind with my fellow PGCE-ers would be nice. Hmph!

I am surprised by the lack of a social event. I did my PGCE course at Sussex University in 1977. On the Friday night of the first week of the course, the tutors, put on a social event that involved them cooking a meal for all the students. It definitely helped with relationships and also established what the course was all about. The educational philosophy that I still hold after all these years was largely shaped by the tutors on that PGCE course. That of course has involved resisting the proclamations of government ministers over the last 20 years.
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Posted 01 October 2003 - 05:41 PM

Lou Phillips, on Sep 30 2003, 01:09 PM, said:

There's practically no opportunity for a social life with our course either, from the first day they have been telling us that it is not a fourth year of university but the first year of our professional training and career.

I had some absolutely fab nights out with fellow PGCE'ers when I did mine in York - we went totally wild over half term and turned up for the college lectures looking GREEN :sick:
but oh what a laugh and TOTALLY worth it!

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Posted 01 October 2003 - 06:30 PM

The PGCE course is obviously deadly serious these days. In some ways that's no bad thing I supppose, but it does seem a huge mistake to me not to enable 'bonding' with fellow students and tutors at the beginning of the course.

My experience (Leicester, 1966) was similar to John's and I still have happy memories not so much of 'wild nights out' but of the welcome party at the Prof's house, chatting over coffee in the Junior Common Room, the occasional meal at the Method Tutor's house and of sunny afternoon's learning to play croquet (a truly vicious game!) on the Library lawn right at the end of the course. We socialised together a lot and it helped a great deal when the going got tough on placement to have other students to turn to (by then we knew each other fairly well).

What a pity it's not like that for you, Lou.

Failing the lead by your tutors maybe you could organise a get-together yourselves via the Dept noticeboard?
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