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#1 DAJ Belshaw

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 03:26 PM

Once again at the start of this school year reference has been made to downloading videos, etc. via bittorrent. Last year, I tried to create a site which would enable peer-to-peer downloading and sharing of resources with large filesizes, but it all got a bit complicated. This year, however, with new software, a new website (historyshareforum.com) and - hopefully - some new volunteers, I'm all ready to give it another shot.

Here's my plan:

1. Install necessary software at historyshareforum.com/bittorrent [done]
2. Gather some people who are familiar to bittorrent to test the system and iron out any potential problems.
3. Write an idiot-proof guide to how to use the site (wiki?)
4. Launch it to the delight of history teachers everywhere!

So, in the words of Danny Ocean, are you in? I'm at stage 2 at the moment, so I need some people who have downloaded stuff via bittorrent before to help me out (nudge, nudge Dafydd, Will, Dave, Nick, Johannes, etc.) B)

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#2 DaveStacey

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 04:47 PM

I fall firmly into the camp of the puzzled on this one Doug. Tried it last year, but got pretty tied up in knots with the whole thing.

On the other hand, as I keep telling the kids, you learn more from failure that from sucess, so count me in! I'll head over to the shareforum and sort out the software forthwith!

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 05:09 PM

Thanks Dave, you're a leg-end! If you could try downloading the test file I've put on there as well as trying to
seed your own, that'd be great... :D

Let me know by PM how you get on.

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#4 Dafydd Humphreys

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 05:35 PM

My biggest problem is hard disk space though - I rarely have more than 1.5 gB on this laptop free.

There's lots at school, but I'm wary of the copyright issues.
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 06:06 PM

There's lots at school, but I'm wary of the copyright issues.


:warning: A very sensible point.

I clearly see the need for us as history teachers to have access to the educational programs which have been created, plus to have access to useful historical documentaries. The BBC + others with the creative archive have been taking things in the right direction. But the copyright issue is still far too dodgy to get seriously involved in this.

Doug - I do appreciate your efforts in this and give some copyright clearance I would applaud the efforts. Yet until this happens, having been bitten by copyright owners in in the past (when I put some materials online that I thought were copyright free and then found they weren't) I'm not there yet.


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Posted 07 October 2006 - 06:29 PM

Doug - I do appreciate your efforts in this and give some copyright clearance I would applaud the efforts. Yet until this happens, having been bitten by copyright owners in in the past (when I put some materials online that I thought were copyright free and then found they weren't) I'm not there yet.

We'll see how it goes - it's all for educational purposes! There's plenty of torrent sites on the Internet (digitaldistractions.org, etc.) who have been running for years with this type of content.

It would be a real shame if History teachers couldn't harness the power of the Internet to share resources suitable for the teaching of History... :unsure:

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 08:09 AM

Well damn the man!
If we are using this stuff for educational purposes there shouldn't be any copyright isues. The creators should understand the importance of what their stuff is being used for and waiv any financial gain. We don't make any money from it, and they should be happy, Nay ENTHUSIASTIC about their product being used in the classroom!
Doug, I'll test the torrents when they come online.
Am I under the impression that you can legally make a copy of any programme and then use it in the classroom for educational purposes?
If this is correct, then we're just recieving a high quality copy of something we already have the right to?
Hmm, copyright might be a minefield, but there has to be some way around this, it's not as if you'll be putting feature films on there is it?
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Posted 08 October 2006 - 08:13 AM

I have at least 300 gigabytes of historical films, documentaries, news reports, one-offs and series. From 'Titanic' to Tony Robinson's Worst Jobs in History and from 'Nazis a Warning from History' to Nick Knowles' Guy Fawkes programme.
My Youtube Channels: <a href="http://www.youtube.c...m/Learnhistory" target="_blank">LearnHistory</a> (RIP) :( and <a href="http://www.youtube.c.../Learnhistory2" target="_blank">LearnHistory2</a> and now <a href="http://www.youtube.c.../Learnhistory3" target="_blank">LearnHistory3</a>

#9 Dafydd Humphreys

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 08:24 AM

What are the logistics of this - how many history teachers are there in these islands?

Primary schools: 22,343
Secondary schools: 4,230 including 1,954 specialist schools
Non-maintained mainstream schools: 2,476
Special schools (maintained and non-maintained): 1,434
Pupil referral units: 478

Plus Ireland another few thousand....

That makes around 15,000 history teachers not including all the primary teachers who teach all subjects.

Around 60% of them use the internet maybe? There must be about 2,000 teachers willing and able...
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Posted 08 October 2006 - 09:01 AM

Torpedoed!

I just received this email from my webhost:

This letter is to inform you that we can not allow torrents hosted on our server due to the abuse on system resources. Please remove all offending files hosted at http://www.historysh...rrent/index.php

We appreciate your understanding.
Thank you,

Mike


:(

Oh well, it looks like we'll have to meet up instead. Anyone up for a Midlands filesharing session at a yet-to-be-named school/pub?

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 09:15 AM

Hmmmm.

Members are reminded that by making video or DVD recordings of television broadcasts they are breaking copyright law, if these recordings are shown to an audience other than their own personal use or family - this includes showing the recordings at schools, hospitals, oil rigs, prisons, community centres etc

Members are also reminded that it is illegal to pass on such recordings to other people.
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Posted 08 October 2006 - 09:36 AM

Hmmmm.

Members are reminded that by making video or DVD recordings of television broadcasts they are breaking copyright law, if these recordings are shown to an audience other than their own personal use or family - this includes showing the recordings at schools, hospitals, oil rigs, prisons, community centres etc

Members are also reminded that it is illegal to pass on such recordings to other people.


This is exactly why I'm so 'scared' about such things. A number of years ago I got a solictor's letter because I'd uploaded a worksheet onto the main site that was largely a copy of a commercial worksheet. It was a complete mistake as it was a sheet created by someone else as an attempt to improve on the original (it was a good improvement too). They sent the letter to my home address and my school. It was all very heavy handed and over the top. Similarly I got stung with the 'Who Wants to be a Historical Millionaire'. [Yet the same year a teacher of the year was congratulated for using the same concept].

Am I under the impression that you can legally make a copy of any programme and then use it in the classroom for educational purposes?


Legally - no. In practice - who knows. In reality - :(

As we've discussed before, the copyright issues are just ridiculous. In theory, we are only allowed to show films, TV broadcasts etc. that have been made specifically for school i.e. schools' editions. The 'educational use' excuse doesn't technically apply. The licences we all have for photocopying etc. don't even actually apply for videos recorded from the TV when you look into it in detail.

It is wrong to say that nothing is changing - as I mentioned before - the work the BBC and others have been doing on the Creative Commons materials is an immense change in direction. I think we need to keep pestering the BBC and any other agencies involved to highlight the need for such a service.

The main problem is that with the current situation one teacher may be held up as an example to others in the same way some poor teenager was taken to court over downloaded MP3s. We need clarity over the sitatuation. At the moment, the only file-sharing that can take place has to be shady and behind the scenes. This, as Mr Wilde suggests, is ridiculous - especially as we are simply trying to find effective resources to support our teaching.


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Posted 08 October 2006 - 12:16 PM

Totally agree with all that has been said here.

I too have quite a collection of Tv shows for history, am happy to share them yet am concerned about doing it publicy. It all seesm daft nowdays, especially in the age of DVDs with HDs to download and store programs you have missed and Sky with HDs too.

I would love to be able to share openly and for the good of all. But in the meantime I think all we can do is educate others about how to access the wealth of material out there. So an idiots guide is still a great idea Doug.

I am based in Nottingham nad would be happy to share, I guess it all depends on where and when.

Cheers

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 12:51 PM

Perhaps if we were to put up a wish-list of stuff we wanted?
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Posted 08 October 2006 - 01:08 PM

Perhaps if we were to put up a wish-list of stuff we wanted?

Well that facility is already available at the historyshareforum here. I could make a specific bittorrent section if desired. There is a section for listing torrents here, but I was thinking that a wiki might be better due to the changing availability of torrent files. What do people think?

As for the Midlands meet-up, I'd be happy to ask if we could hold it at my school (in Doncaster). I'm sure Roy Huggins would be happy to have it at Mexborough - although perhaps a pub or similar during the half term might be more appropriate?

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