[Joel Thorpe]

lauramanck, on Apr 26 2007, 09:35 AM, said:

I too have tried to add my video's its gets right to the end and then stops !

It did that twice for me but strangely the videos were there next time I logged on!

Go figure!!

[Tony Fox]

I have been filling in my 'free' time with some movies, check them out on teachertube

[Dan Moorhouse]

24 vids in there now.

http://www.teachertu...y=schoolhistory

[Andrew Field]

Looking good. Do we know anything about the background of the site - especially how stable it will be? I still have concerns about the speed of the site and as others discover what it has to offer it could slow up even more. I'd be delighted to support it more, but we don't want to just upload loads of videos to discover the site has fallen over.

Great stuff so far though - I'm just imagining a situation where you want to show a video clip in class and it judders to a halt.

[Tony Fox]

Andrew Field, on May 30 2007, 10:52 AM, said:

Looking good. Do we know anything about the background of the site - especially how stable it will be? I still have concerns about the speed of the site and as others discover what it has to offer it could slow up even more. I'd be delighted to support it more, but we don't want to just upload loads of videos to discover the site has fallen over.

Great stuff so far though - I'm just imagining a situation where you want to show a video clip in class and it judders to a halt.

I use the download facility, I download it to the schoolnetwork, and play it from there, as you are right, playing straight off the site causes a lot of stutter.

[calstaples]

Dan, you must be psychic, I spent ages yesterday downloading images on slavery to make a starter and must have used the same sites as you, as the image collection I have gathered is almost the identical to the ones you've used in your excellent movie starter. Many thanks, I can move onto post-war civil rights issues or something else instead now!



The US teachertube site is indeed slow and I wouldn’t bank on it streaming fast enough in class. It seems best to download the videos (direct as flash files), or later convert them to .wmv using something like www.zamzar.com



Laura Manktelow has uploaded her revision videos to a different site. The thread on this is at

http://www.schoolhis...?showtopic=8394 and the site is www.ukteachertube.co.uk



Like Andrew, I worry about making sure that the site used, for what will inevitably become a much larger collection of videos, is a stable and secure one.



Is anyone concerned about the copyright issues? I suppose there is always the danger that someone could make a case about the images, or the use of the commercial music tracks. That is why I clipped off the school name from the end of movies I recently uploaded, as I wouldn’t want to be the cause of a dragging a school into a legal case! The videos on the US teachertube site soon build up to hundreds of viewings, so presumably the risk is there.

[Andrew Field]

Some very good points there indeed - especially about copyright which I'm always concerned about. Whereas it was fine to have a VHS copy to show in the classroom it gets tricky online and teachers in general need some serious backing and guidance about what is allowable. With the way things have gone in recent years some record company or other could quite legitimately have a case against one individual and that could be followed through 'just to make the point'. To what extent should we be worried about such things?

That UKTeacherTube site was the one I was trying to remember this morning. Could certainly be worth looking at closely. David has a different method of storage on the site though - large downloads in .wmv format. That might make it more dependable, if less immediately viewable.

This is tricky isn't it.

[JohnDClare]

calstaples, on May 30 2007, 01:19 PM, said:

Is anyone concerned about the copyright issues? I suppose there is always the danger that someone could make a case about the images, or the use of the commercial music tracks. That is why I clipped off the school name from the end of movies I recently uploaded, as I wouldn’t want to be the cause of a dragging a school into a legal case! The videos on the US teachertube site soon build up to hundreds of viewings, so presumably the risk is there.

The answer is yes, and we have debated this issue on the HTDF a number of times.
I think the general final feeling is that non-profit-making items for educational purposes can be assumed to fall within the 'fair use' policy.
Certainly on the occasions that I have trespassed on copyright to the extent that I have felt obliged to write and ask, I have found that the copyright holders have either agreed, or have just ignored my letter.
When I do ask for copyright permission, I always post the item first, then write to the copyright-holder asking permission, referring them to the item I have posted but offering to take it down if they object - that way, you give them a contract-out option (rather than a contract-in option, which would leave you in a pickle if they just didn't reply).
Where I have gleaned materials/images from the internet (where one can assume that the item is in the public domain), I generally don't bother to ask.
Even so, I generally put somewhere in small print a statement seeking 'further information' about copyright-holders, and stating that if anyone has any issues relating to copyright they should contact me immediately.

The one on my website reads:

Quote

Policy and Copyright statement, 5/4/2002

All original texts and paraphrases on this site are © John D Clare. John D Clare asserts his moral right to be identified as the author of all work that is © John D Clare.

Teachers and pupils/students are welcome to download, copy and use these pages for non-commercial educational and research purposes. Webmasters are welcome to post links to pages on the www.johndclare.net site. However, any use you make of this site or information derived from the content or appearance of this site is your responsibility. John D Clare will not be held liable in any respect for any use or abuse of this site by other persons.

Users are entirely responsible for all intellectual property that is not © John D Clare, and should check to ensure they are allowed to use any material not © John D Clare. John D Clare is not responsible for anything other than text © John D Clare.

Links to a site do not mean that John D Clare agrees with the content or philosophy of the site or its authors.

Every effort has been made to trace and acknowledge ownership of copyright. John D Clare will be glad to make suitable arrangements with any copyright holder whom it has not been possible to contact - please email MrJohnDClare@aol.com.

So if a picture-owner etc. should get in touch, you would just take down the relevant item and repot it minus the offending image wth a fair degree of grovelling.
Of course this doesn't totally protect you against prosecution, bankruptcy, dismissal, loss of pension and jail, but I think you should be safe unless you have been doing something silly like posting images you have stolen from professional picture-suppliers, or unless you fall foul of a particularly vicious copyright-owner who is wanting to make an example of someone.
If the worst came to the worst, you could always offer to pay. I can't see it ever coming to court if in extremis you were to offer that. I can't see any court in the land convicting in a situation where you'd openly sought further information about copyright holders on your site, had taken the item down immediately you were contacted, and had then offered to pay any outstanding fees.
Normal fees are about £300 per image per year, so it could get steep if you were getting clobbered for a few images - but it's better than jail!

[Tony Fox]

I confess I set up the account on teachertube, and have been careful to keep my video's private, meaning only people subscribed to the schoolshistory group can view them.
i agree with a lots of comments here, I too was not too impressed with teachertube, but thought it did the job.

I would propose that we decamp (awaiting Joels comment on that choice of word) to ukteachertube as I feel this site is more appropriate, but, and this is a big but, the files need to be less than 10MB, or there is quite a bit of hassle, I think this is a restriction, but will bow to pressure.
I await further instructions.

This post has been edited by Tony Fox: 30 May 2007 - 03:01 PM

[Tony Fox]

I think ukteachertube has gone down, anyone else got problems?

[Dan Moorhouse]

http://www.ukteacher...k/historyv1.htm was working a minute or so ago.

[Tony Fox]

you are right http://www.ukteacher...k/historyv1.htm was working a minute or so ago. sorry