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Tony Fox
Have we got a group on Teachertube yet?
if so what is the group name?

meanwhile: http://www.teachertube.com/view_video.php?...28f19721878fac4
History is like a lightbulb!
Andrew Field
I think it is fabulous that you've volunteered to do this Tony - well done for putting yourself forward. What do you plan to call the group that you're now organising? laugh.gif
Tony Fox
QUOTE (Andrew Field @ Apr 24 2007, 10:22 PM) *
I think it is fabulous that you've volunteered to do this Tony - well done for putting yourself forward. What do you plan to call the group that you're now organising? laugh.gif


try SchoolHistory if that is ok, not found how to add an image for the group yet crazy.gif
Andrew Field
Hurrah - here it is:
http://www.teachertube.com/groups_home.php...y=schoolhistory

Now need some content wink.gif

I may be too critical, but I'm a bit worried about the ability for TeacherTube to support the demand. Unlike YouTube which now has an enormous wealth of resources I'm finding TeacherTube increasingly slow to access. I just hope they are able to keep up with demand and provide an appropriately speedy service.
Joel Thorpe
I joined last week, and the group this morning, (after another thread on here highlighted it) and I have posted a starter Video on it. Uses Iron Maiden (!!!!) and the song about Passchendaele, with images to the music and lyrics. I would love to claim that I made it but it was done by an RE teacher, the brilliant Gail Sherwin.
Tony Fox
QUOTE (Andrew Field @ Apr 25 2007, 12:02 AM) *
I'm finding TeacherTube increasingly slow to access. I just hope they are able to keep up with demand and provide an appropriately speedy service.


mad.gif I thought it was just me, buffering slows right down at times, will use Teachertube along with the others, one more source of ideas.
Joel Thorpe
QUOTE (Tony Fox @ Apr 25 2007, 08:20 AM) *
QUOTE (Andrew Field @ Apr 25 2007, 12:02 AM) *
I'm finding TeacherTube increasingly slow to access. I just hope they are able to keep up with demand and provide an appropriately speedy service.


mad.gif I thought it was just me, buffering slows right down at times, will use Teachertube along with the others, one more source of ideas.



It still may be Tony, works like a dream for this school network and this network is crap!
Karen Riches
Great idea. I've joined too smile.gif
Speed at school is pretty good too and like Joel our network is ancient!
Tony Fox
QUOTE (Karen Riches @ Apr 25 2007, 08:47 AM) *
Great idea. I've joined too smile.gif


can we join up all those on schoolhistory as 'Friends' on teachertube
please be my friend Foxburg withstupid.gif
Joel Thorpe
QUOTE (Tony Fox @ Apr 25 2007, 11:02 AM) *
QUOTE (Karen Riches @ Apr 25 2007, 08:47 AM) *
Great idea. I've joined too smile.gif


can we join up all those on schoolhistory as 'Friends' on teachertube
please be my friend Foxburg withstupid.gif



So should we all start calling you Billy instead Tony??

(As in Billy no mates??)

LOL
Karen Riches
Sorry, I've tried to add my Hiroshima video to the group on teachetube and made a mess of it! I can't seem to be able to delete the link - that goes nowhere - and believe me I've tried!
(So if anyone else can I'd really appreciate it!) withstupid.gif
Tony Fox
QUOTE (Karen Riches @ Apr 25 2007, 04:36 PM) *
(So if anyone else can I'd really appreciate it!) withstupid.gif


why has no one told me the rules of the emoticons game? is it copy the last one then add one of your own? cursing.gif
Russel Tarr
QUOTE (Tony Fox @ Apr 25 2007, 04:49 PM) *
why has no one told me the rules of the emoticons game? is it copy the last one then add one of your own? cursing.gif


Of course not; that would be childish wink.gif
Joel Thorpe
QUOTE (Russel Tarr @ Apr 26 2007, 07:52 AM) *
QUOTE (Tony Fox @ Apr 25 2007, 04:49 PM) *
why has no one told me the rules of the emoticons game? is it copy the last one then add one of your own? cursing.gif


Of course not; that would be childish wink.gif


I argee Russel, we are all far too mature for that! hehe.gif
lauramanck
QUOTE (Joel Thorpe @ Apr 26 2007, 08:37 AM) *
QUOTE (Russel Tarr @ Apr 26 2007, 07:52 AM) *
QUOTE (Tony Fox @ Apr 25 2007, 04:49 PM) *
why has no one told me the rules of the emoticons game? is it copy the last one then add one of your own? cursing.gif


Of course not; that would be childish wink.gif


I argee Russel, we are all far too mature for that! hehe.gif


I too have tried to add my video's its gets right to the end and then stops !
Joel Thorpe
QUOTE (lauramanck @ Apr 26 2007, 09:35 AM) *
I too have tried to add my video's its gets right to the end and then stops !



It did that twice for me but strangely the videos were there next time I logged on!

Go figure!!
Tony Fox
tease.gif I have been filling in my 'free' time with some movies, check them out on teachertube
Dan Moorhouse
24 vids in there now.

http://www.teachertube.com/groups_home.php...y=schoolhistory
Andrew Field
Looking good. Do we know anything about the background of the site - especially how stable it will be? I still have concerns about the speed of the site and as others discover what it has to offer it could slow up even more. I'd be delighted to support it more, but we don't want to just upload loads of videos to discover the site has fallen over.

Great stuff so far though - I'm just imagining a situation where you want to show a video clip in class and it judders to a halt.
Tony Fox
QUOTE (Andrew Field @ May 30 2007, 10:52 AM) *
Looking good. Do we know anything about the background of the site - especially how stable it will be? I still have concerns about the speed of the site and as others discover what it has to offer it could slow up even more. I'd be delighted to support it more, but we don't want to just upload loads of videos to discover the site has fallen over.

Great stuff so far though - I'm just imagining a situation where you want to show a video clip in class and it judders to a halt.


I use the download facility, I download it to the schoolnetwork, and play it from there, as you are right, playing straight off the site causes a lot of stutter. mad.gif
calstaples
Dan, you must be psychic, I spent ages yesterday downloading images on slavery to make a starter and must have used the same sites as you, as the image collection I have gathered is almost the identical to the ones you've used in your excellent movie starter. Many thanks, I can move onto post-war civil rights issues or something else instead now! smile.gif



The US teachertube site is indeed slow and I wouldn’t bank on it streaming fast enough in class. It seems best to download the videos (direct as flash files), or later convert them to .wmv using something like www.zamzar.com



Laura Manktelow has uploaded her revision videos to a different site. The thread on this is at

http://www.schoolhistory.co.uk/forum/index...?showtopic=8394 and the site is www.ukteachertube.co.uk



Like Andrew, I worry about making sure that the site used, for what will inevitably become a much larger collection of videos, is a stable and secure one.



Is anyone concerned about the copyright issues? I suppose there is always the danger that someone could make a case about the images, or the use of the commercial music tracks. That is why I clipped off the school name from the end of movies I recently uploaded, as I wouldn’t want to be the cause of a dragging a school into a legal case! The videos on the US teachertube site soon build up to hundreds of viewings, so presumably the risk is there.
Andrew Field
Some very good points there indeed - especially about copyright which I'm always concerned about. Whereas it was fine to have a VHS copy to show in the classroom it gets tricky online and teachers in general need some serious backing and guidance about what is allowable. With the way things have gone in recent years some record company or other could quite legitimately have a case against one individual and that could be followed through 'just to make the point'. To what extent should we be worried about such things?

That UKTeacherTube site was the one I was trying to remember this morning. Could certainly be worth looking at closely. David has a different method of storage on the site though - large downloads in .wmv format. That might make it more dependable, if less immediately viewable.

This is tricky isn't it.
JohnDClare
QUOTE (calstaples @ May 30 2007, 01:19 PM) *
Is anyone concerned about the copyright issues? I suppose there is always the danger that someone could make a case about the images, or the use of the commercial music tracks. That is why I clipped off the school name from the end of movies I recently uploaded, as I wouldn’t want to be the cause of a dragging a school into a legal case! The videos on the US teachertube site soon build up to hundreds of viewings, so presumably the risk is there.

The answer is yes, and we have debated this issue on the HTDF a number of times.
I think the general final feeling is that non-profit-making items for educational purposes can be assumed to fall within the 'fair use' policy.
Certainly on the occasions that I have trespassed on copyright to the extent that I have felt obliged to write and ask, I have found that the copyright holders have either agreed, or have just ignored my letter.
When I do ask for copyright permission, I always post the item first, then write to the copyright-holder asking permission, referring them to the item I have posted but offering to take it down if they object - that way, you give them a contract-out option (rather than a contract-in option, which would leave you in a pickle if they just didn't reply).
Where I have gleaned materials/images from the internet (where one can assume that the item is in the public domain), I generally don't bother to ask.
Even so, I generally put somewhere in small print a statement seeking 'further information' about copyright-holders, and stating that if anyone has any issues relating to copyright they should contact me immediately.

The one on my website reads:
QUOTE
Policy and Copyright statement, 5/4/2002

All original texts and paraphrases on this site are © John D Clare. John D Clare asserts his moral right to be identified as the author of all work that is © John D Clare.

Teachers and pupils/students are welcome to download, copy and use these pages for non-commercial educational and research purposes. Webmasters are welcome to post links to pages on the www.johndclare.net site. However, any use you make of this site or information derived from the content or appearance of this site is your responsibility. John D Clare will not be held liable in any respect for any use or abuse of this site by other persons.

Users are entirely responsible for all intellectual property that is not © John D Clare, and should check to ensure they are allowed to use any material not © John D Clare. John D Clare is not responsible for anything other than text © John D Clare.

Links to a site do not mean that John D Clare agrees with the content or philosophy of the site or its authors.

Every effort has been made to trace and acknowledge ownership of copyright. John D Clare will be glad to make suitable arrangements with any copyright holder whom it has not been possible to contact - please email MrJohnDClare@aol.com.


So if a picture-owner etc. should get in touch, you would just take down the relevant item and repot it minus the offending image wth a fair degree of grovelling.
Of course this doesn't totally protect you against prosecution, bankruptcy, dismissal, loss of pension and jail, but I think you should be safe unless you have been doing something silly like posting images you have stolen from professional picture-suppliers, or unless you fall foul of a particularly vicious copyright-owner who is wanting to make an example of someone.
If the worst came to the worst, you could always offer to pay. I can't see it ever coming to court if in extremis you were to offer that. I can't see any court in the land convicting in a situation where you'd openly sought further information about copyright holders on your site, had taken the item down immediately you were contacted, and had then offered to pay any outstanding fees.
Normal fees are about £300 per image per year, so it could get steep if you were getting clobbered for a few images - but it's better than jail!
Tony Fox
I confess I set up the account on teachertube, and have been careful to keep my video's private, meaning only people subscribed to the schoolshistory group can view them.
i agree with a lots of comments here, I too was not too impressed with teachertube, but thought it did the job.

I would propose that we decamp (awaiting Joels comment on that choice of word) to ukteachertube as I feel this site is more appropriate, but, and this is a big but, the files need to be less than 10MB, or there is quite a bit of hassle, I think this is a restriction, but will bow to pressure. blink.gif
I await further instructions.
Tony Fox
I think ukteachertube has gone down, anyone else got problems? cursing.gif
Dan Moorhouse
http://www.ukteachertube.co.uk/historyv1.htm was working a minute or so ago.
Tony Fox
you are right http://www.ukteachertube.co.uk/historyv1.htm was working a minute or so ago. sorry blushing.gif
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