[l'histoire]

Apparently I'm supposed to know about the Bosnian Crisis, which is a new one to me, because as I'm aware I haven't been taught about it in my year and a half in GCSE

I've looked it up using search engines, but many websites are difficult to understand due to the incredible amounts of useless information.
Is this the jist of it?

-Treaty of Berlin 1878, A-H occupies B&H
-October 1908, A-H launches full invasion of B&H
-Serbia outraged
-Conference, Russia make offer, A-H 'accept' Jan 1909
-Serbia challenge A-H, Russia back down, Serbia humiliated

Have I missed anything?

Also, would I be right in thinking this would lead on to the Russian backing after the assassination of FF?

Any help appreciated

[Mr Field]

The events of 1909 are referred to as the 'Bosnian Crisis':

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Austria annexes Bosnia - the Bosnian Crisis to Apr.1909; sharp risk of general war - Russia, Serbia, the Turks, and Italy are enraged at the Austrian action

http://cnparm.home.texas.net/Wars/JulyCris...ulyCrisis01.htm

A really good overview summary can be found here:

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In 1908, Austria-Hungary took over the former Turkish province of Bosnia. This angered Serbians who felt the province should be theirs. Serbia threatened Austria-Hungary with war, Russia, allied to Serbia, mobilised its forces. Germany, allied to Austria-Hungary mobilised its forces and prepared to threaten Russia. War was avoided when Russia backed down. There was, however, war in the Balkans between 1911 and 1912 when the Balkan states drove Turkey out of the area. The states then fought each other over which area should belong to which state. Austria-Hungary then intervened and forced Serbia to give up some of its acquisitions. Tension between Serbia and Austria-Hungary was high.

http://www.historyon.../WW1/causes.htm

Your summary is sufficient, but it really depends which course you are studing and the depth and detail you are expected to know. I would go a talk to your history teacher to try and clear the matter up.

[l'histoire]

Cheers Mr Field, sound advice

[Imagination rules the world-N.B]

Why did the Black Hand want to kill him?

[Mrs Faithorn]

The Black hand wanted to assassinate/kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand because he was the heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

In other words he was next in line to be Emperor of the very nation that the Black Hand hated above all others. The Black Hand wanted Serbia to be an independent nation and to unify all Serbs in a 'Greater Serbia' - and not be part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

See here for more info. about the Black Hand and what they wanted:
http://www.spartacus...WWblackhand.htm

[Imagination rules the world-N.B]

I didn't mean my last question exactly that way.I meant what benefits did the Black Hand saw in the assassination and why didn't they recognize that it would only lead to a war between Serbia and Austro-Hungary?Also Gavrilo Princip's reply when interviewed in court was that he killed the Archducke to take revenge because he saw what is happening in the villages.I didn't understand that so much?

[MrJohnDClare]

You obviously have a degree of knowledge about this, and there comes a certain point where you are entitled to draw your own conclusions from the evidence.

As far as I see it, it is not certain that the Black Hand 'assassinated' FF at all. It would appear that they supplied the weapons, and there would seem to have been Black Hand members 'hanging around' on the day, apparently to witness the assassination attempt, but I am not personally aware that the six young men were actually members of the Black Hand.

The choice of FF was, in fact, a propaganda disaster. FF (who had eloped to marry Sophie Chotek) was quite popular. The crowd in Sarajevo was cheering 'Zivio' ('Live long') enthusiastically - at least enthusiastically enough to frighten Mehmedbasic from throwing his bomb - and Sophie was a well-known beauty (the princess Diana of her time), pretty enough to dissuade Cubrilovic from his assassination attempt. The crowds beat up Cabrinovic for throwing the first bomb.
Also, you've got to look at the results. Afterwards, Princip revealed that if he had had an inkling of what would happen he never would have killed FF. It was not just that it ultimately caused WWI - it gave Austria a pretext to humiliate and attack Serbia. And the murder of Sophie certainly led to world-wide condemnation.

The Black Hand were terrorists, and they disrupted on purpose, but it is doubtful that they would have tried such a disastrous assassination - or even allowed: in fact, word leaked out and the Austrian intelligence had been informed that there was to be an assassination attempt.

You will be aware that there are 'conspiracy theories' about the 9/11 destruction of the two towers in New York by Al Qaeda (they claim that the US govt allowed the plot to happen to give them an excuse to attack Afghanistan and Iran). I don't know about that, but it would be JUST as possible that the Austrian government was involved in a conspiracy to allow the Sarajevo assassination - FF was NOT liked in the Austrian government because of his elopment and his views on the Slavs, and an assassination attempt would have given the Austrians the excuse they needed to attack Serbia (the Austrian Chief of Staff had proposed to invade Serbia a number of times in the year before 1914).

My personal opinion is that, in fact, the six youths were exactly what they said they were - six BOSNIAN activists who were outraged by FF's visit.
Remember that Austria had only annexed Bosnia a few years before, and that 28 June was Serbia's National Day.
The assassination has all the marks of amateurism which would accompany this kind of attack, and only suceeded because of the most amazing sequence of luck and chance.
So perhaps Princip was telling the truth when he said that he killed the Archduke to take revenge because he saw what is happening in the villages - he had no reason to lie.

Thus, if this is true, the Sarajevo assassination would be IN FACT like the July London bombings, done by a minority ethnic element FROM WITHIN THE HOME COUNTRY'S POPULATION.
And this is why the Austrian declaration of war on Serbia was perceived to be an injustice ... hence the Russian mobilisation .. hence WWI.

[Imagination rules the world-N.B]

Thank you

[cassy]

Hello, umm im kinda looking for help on a question of a history research assessment task. what were the motives behind the assassination of Franz Ferdinand 1914?

[MrJohnDClare]

Try these sites:
http://www.firstworl...bio/princip.htm
http://net.lib.byu.e...t/blk-hand.html

[cassy]

MrJohnDClare, on Jul 29 2007, 01:06 AM, said:

Try these sites:
http://www.firstworl...bio/princip.htm
http://net.lib.byu.e...t/blk-hand.html

thanks umm the second one sounds useful Ive already visited the first and it had some good infomation. sorry havent replyed for ages havent been on a computer for a while.

[MrJohnDClare]

I think it's all to do with nationalism and embedded hatred really.

[cassy]

yea i agree it mainly to do with thier wish for a greater serbia which is nationalism. thanks for you help.

[mr fox]

Ensure that you see Sebian Nationalism in the bigger picture, it should not be seen in isolation, but as part of the development of European Nationalism; begun at the late 18th Century, and as a response to the breakdown of Austrian power in the region.
I know this adds complexity but the danger is to see the assassination from the Austrian point of view, as an attack by a small group of terrorists, rather than extremists acting for a movement of people.

[RUNNWAYDIVA]

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