Should We Be Proud Of The British Empire?
Posted 12 May 2007 - 03:03 PM
What do you lot think?
Posted 14 May 2007 - 01:54 PM
Posted 15 May 2007 - 08:52 PM
i think there are definately things we should be proud of. The British Empire at is peak was amazing, especially considering what a small island we are!!!
I understand that people feel ashamed of the mistakes and mistreatment. In fact, you could question whether it was right for us to rule over people living in a completely different country? Regarding issues such as slavery..i think that is more difficult. Yes, it was wrong- nobody questions that. But, our judgements have changed and its totally fair to deduce that we should be ashamed of our past simply because of black marks on the record. when historians study us in the future who knows, there may be things that are so clearly unjust and wrong that we dont have the ability to see because of public opinion. with slavery, we should also look at the role of other countries, britain did not act alone and we also played a role in abolishing it.
So..you can probably guess I have mixed feelings on the topic. But i'd definately say that we should be proud and as long as we recognise the faults as well.
Slightly off topic, but do you think we gained the industrial lead due to ingenuity and skill and as was believed 'the natural superiority of the british people'...OR was it just chance?
Posted 05 June 2007 - 08:04 PM
I don't know, the 'British Empire' is such a wide topic. It shows that he have particpated and made an impact on our history. It shows that we are prominant and also that we have the ability to produce good leaders, skilled military and that we can organise ourselves in order to produce something. Plus, it has shaped our history and it is our heritage, and world history too.
But..was it really worth it? I am against wars, I think it makes me sad. Although I see why we went to war, and went out conquering especially in WW2 etc, but it always just results in oppression of a different kind, along with death and destruction. I mean many of the countries in our empire wouln't have been too chuffed about us ruling them, especially with the whole
slavery and violating human rights
But, it did introduce new trade links and new alliances for us that we still use today, and perhaps new allies aswell.
Oh dear, you've confused me now. Might go lie down in a darkened room
Posted 07 June 2007 - 04:50 AM
Edited by ShinyRaccoon, 08 June 2007 - 03:18 AM.
Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:40 AM
Is our military prowess really something that should be praised when itís used for murder and petty theft? Or are the trade links we created a good thing when they were used for the transport of slaves? At the heart of the empire there existed a doctorin of racism and a thirst of power. Itís a disgraceful period in our history and not something we should look back on with any kind of pride.
Posted 07 August 2007 - 05:24 AM
Posted 08 August 2007 - 10:33 AM
In the context of the time there are some elements of the British Empire we should be proud of, but we still need to look at the results of Western European whites telling other individuals what is best for them. The British Empire goes against the 18th Century concept of free will and 'rights' I see the major benefit of the Empire is that people now see the concept of an Empire as something inherently wrong, but once again there are circumstances when an outside body should intervene in the affairs of Nations. Clearly coming from a Liberal Democratic society, the imposition of Liberal democracy can only be seen as beneficial, thus we need to cosider out judgement criteria carefully.
I would argue that we need to examine specific cases and circumstances to enable us to answer this question, even then we can only hope to come up with an interpretation that favours our Western Liberal democratic viewpoint.
Posted 13 August 2007 - 10:53 PM
Posted 03 June 2009 - 05:05 PM
God save the Queen!
Posted 04 June 2009 - 08:39 PM
In addition, we also made a big difference in terms of equality. For example, The British Military was the first military recorded to allow non-native people to serve on equal terms with natives. Romans are well known for their locally recuited auxillia, but the auxillia recieved a fraction of regular roman troops pay and benifits. The the British military, people from London could serve with people from Singapore (indeed still can) on equal terms.
Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:41 AM
Posted 05 June 2009 - 04:43 PM
Basically i'm a bit old-fashioned in some terms as you may say that i do not appreciate moral issues and you are exactly correct.
In my opinion, the British Empire was right in one way. It reaped its conquest. Unlike Hannibal who's famous quote about him not being able to use the victory is the exact opposite of the British Empire. They took slaves and therefore destroyed any chances of rebellion by suppressing the growth of a race.
The Mongols were even more ruthless and got the largest empire in history, although they did have other reasons (only against the Chinese and Tartars[Russians]).
So in my opinion, if slavery grants you a victory that can lead to more, than it should be exploited, no matter the moral issues. Not for the sake of laziness so people can get others to do what they want but to lead to an empire and a chain of victories, that in my opinion is key. Unfortunately we can't do this these days since the invention of atomic fissure and fusion.
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