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#1 User is offline   Christina 

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:59 AM

Okay... so i'm doing my paper two tomorrow.
i'm doing a source paper on vietnam war and the US involvement.
i've noticed that you don't really need to remember specific detail in advance for source papers. Am i wrong?
would i still need dates and names of people and things like that?

and i'm having trouble trying to analyse cartoons.
i've read through tips on web but i still don't really get it!
i don't understand cartoons.... i don't understand what they're trying to imply :(
and i've noticed that there are always three to four cartoons in source papers :(
any helpful cartoons on vietnam war that could help me?
with explanations please?


Oh, and i was just wondering. for the last question on paper 6. the question is always 'use all sources to debate.....'
and the marking scheme always says 'bonus points for evaluation of sources (maximum of two).'
what does evaluation mean?
is it just commenting on reliability and utility? i thought you were meant to do that for all sources?


Any help much appreciated.
please help! Thank You!

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 09:21 AM

You don't need to multi-post, Christina. When you post, your question awaits moderation before it becomes visible.


I don;t teach IGCSE, so I can't give any exam-specific advice, but I can answer in general terms:

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Okay... so i'm doing my paper two tomorrow.
i'm doing a source paper on vietnam war and the US involvement.
i've noticed that you don't really need to remember specific detail in advance for source papers. Am i wrong?
would i still need dates and names of people and things like that?
You can't NOT use facts in a source question.
Remember when you are doing a source question you need to mention three things in the course of answering the specific question - content, origin and purpose.
No matter what the question is, these three things will come into it (so, for example, if it's reliability, you will write three paragraphs on: 'is the content reliable', and 'what implications does the origin of its writer have for what I think of its reliability' and 'what implications does its purpose have for what I think of its reliability'.
Now, you don't need to have a comprehensive bank of facts to trot out - like, say, you do on a 'describe' question.
But you can't do without facts altogether. You need a general knowledge of the facts so that you can use them to prove the points you are making in your essay about the content, origin and purpose.
For instance, if you are talking about the reliability of the content, you need to know some facts about what was happening at that time so you can tell whether the content is true or not.
Similarly, you might notice that the writer was a communist, but you need to know that the Cold War was particularly fierce at that time etc.

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and i'm having trouble trying to analyse cartoons.
i've read through tips on web but i still don't really get it!
i don't understand cartoons.... i don't understand what they're trying to imply :(
and i've noticed that there are always three to four cartoons in source papers :(
any helpful cartoons on vietnam war that could help me?
with explanations please?
Don't know of any explained Vietnam cartoons, but if you click here on the Cartoon Database website you will find more than a thousand Vietnam cartoons to look at, starting in 1954.

As for evaluating cartoons, there's a webpage here which may help.

My general advice would be, however, to treat evaluating a cartoon exactly like evaluating any source, and structure your answer around content, origin and purpose. The only extra thing I would suggest is to start off with a paragraph stating what you take to be the meaning of the cartoon.
When students' answers 'go wrong', it is usually because they have misinterpreted the cartoon's meaning, and it just makes a nonsense of everything they say. At least if you start off by saying what you think the meaning it, even if you've got it wrong, it'l be like a Maths question - you'll get marks for the working out.

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Oh, and i was just wondering. for the last question on paper 6. the question is always 'use all sources to debate.....'
and the marking scheme always says 'bonus points for evaluation of sources (maximum of two).'
what does evaluation mean?
is it just commenting on reliability and utility? i thought you were meant to do that for all sources?
You're right on both counts. Remember that the question is about the question, not about evaluating the sources, but when you're answering an historical question using sources the reliability and utility of those sources will come into it - for example, it may be that Source A would prove this idea perfectly, if it hadn't been written by general XXX, whom we know was about to be sacked and was just trying to save his own skin (or, conversely, this is wonderfully proved by Source A, which was written by genera XXX who was there at the battle and saw it with his own eyes).

Points about the content, origin and purpose of the sources will come into your argument in this way, but try to mention them as you go along, as part of your debate/argument - they should appear to be arising naturally as you develop your points.
If the worst comes to the worst, however, when you finish your answer, if you haven't managed to evaluate the sources, add a paragraph where you do just that!

It strikes me that use of sources in a debate question carries jus about as much weigh as using facts in a source evaluation question. You can't do without them, but you need to remember that that is not the main focus of the question!

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 04:05 AM

Hey...

How was the paper?

I just finished it about two hours ago.

You know, I think one of the cartoons was kinda tricky. It had like a double meaning.

Argh, I didn't have enough time but I did complete the paper. Of course I could have gotten two of three more marks out of it without time constraint. Really a waste and I doubt I will score better as compared to my Prelims. I 'hate' it when the teacher stares at me. He saw me rushing through and still stood there looking at me so I looked up at him and linked away, showing that he's irritating and he walked away. Haha. I wrote really neat at first and it became ###### towards the end.

Yeah, the last question, the bonus marks are rewarded if you assessed the reliability of the sources with a line of two.

One more paper next Tuesday and I hope it'll pull up my grades and I'll complete it in time.

I'll tell you, for Paper 1, you'll be given six questions and you have to choose two including one Depth Study for Section B. Just try and focus studying on at least three topics, Treaty of Versailles, League of Nations, German take over of Eastern Europe, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis or Vietnam War - again), Fall of the Soviet Union or... I can't remember the last one but you can check it out at the CIE website. I'm going to choose to study the TOV, LON and Cold War. Just study one more just incase the questions come out tricky. Uh, if you're doing Depth Study Germany, I'll tell you to study about the Youth and Women under Nazi Germany. But Cambridge might be cheeky and test on Hitler taking over Eastern Europe, SCRAMCUP. Haha.

Best of luck.

Paper 1 is where you really need to use your knowledge.

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 05:39 AM

hey i'm doing my paper 2 IGCSE tomorrow!
for the sourcework test you should know the backround information about the topic you chose and know how to answer the questions!
i just posted a guide for it! it should be ready for view any minute!
good luck!!

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 03:13 PM

Haha...

So, how was did it go?

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 08:39 AM

For paper 1, international relations,
- League of Nations/ or Treaty of Versailles has been on every single one of the past papers.
ALWAYS at least one of those.
So study them.

For this year, focus on at least two other topics. Try and focus on the earlier years of the cold war, it's the easiest to do.

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 09:16 AM

Ahaha it was okay i suppose.
got stuck on the cartoon!!! as i was expecting!! but i was glad they only had two. hahaha
ahhhh paper one on tuesday!!!! so not ready :(:(
im only going to revise league of nations, treaty of versailles and cold war 1945-1948.
and nazi germany for depth :)
that's more than enough!!!!

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 01:33 AM

Christina, the second cartoon was difficult. I couldn't understand.

I said it wrong the other day...

Uh, I checked out the past papers for 2006 and 2005.

There's always the League of Nations, Hitler's take over of Eastern Europe, Cold War (either Cuba or Vietnam) and then the United Nations.

It never comes out Treaty of Versailles on its own.

I'll study the League of Nations, Cold War and Hitler's take over of Eastern Europe (just in case).

I'm doing the Depth Study of Germany too.

Good luck.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:31 PM

I'm studying Stalin's takeover of Eastern Europe ahaha.
I've checked all 2002-2006 papers.
UN barely ever pops up.
Same with Vietnam.
But when they do come up, usually both of those topics do.

Usually it's League of nations (success/ failures in disputes etc), and causes of Cold War (who was to blame etc)

i have my paper 1 in about 4 hourssssss AHHHH
:(


You mean the cartoon that was like 'who lost in vietnam'? and it was like 'not i' blahblahblahblahblah?
Coz that was in one of my text books. I hope i interpreted it right haha

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 12:37 AM

Haha.

It was in my teacher's textbook too. She lent it to me.

I got mine is about four hours too.

I revised Treaty of Versailles, League of Nations, Hitler's take over of Eastern Europe, Cold War (Vietnam and Cuba). I didn't study anything about the Hungarian thing, United Nations and Berlin Wall.

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