[Cyfer]

Hello I've done a forum search of 'Prisoners' and 'prisoners of war' and strangely enough i can't find anything!

I've gone back to mulling over a book I read a few weeks ago, 'King Rat' by James Clavell; I've done some research but knowing the teachers' resources here I'd be implied to ask if anyone has any good sites regarding this topic? Focusing mainly on Asia please, Europe's never really interested me apart from the Renaissance.


Oh and if possible some stuff on the Investiture contest. I've also looked through many sites regarding this so just the extra ones or extremely good one's to be posted please.


~Cipher

[Mr. D. Bryant]

Right then. The first thing to point out is that the topics on this forum reflect what gets taught, mainly in British schools. So, if 'Prisoners of War' tends not to be taught, we won't have much on it. We will go and have a look for what we can find, but it will take a little time.

As for the 'Investiture Contest', I don't know about the rest of the moderating teachers, but I haven't looked at this since my undergraduate days. I am not sure any schools study this, and it seems you have already done a lot of research. Again, we will have a search, but we may not be able to add much to whatever you want to know. Was there a specific question you were interested in, as this does tend to make life easier?

[Cyfer]

Mr. D. Bryant, on Oct 1 2009, 11:55 AM, said:

Right then. The first thing to point out is that the topics on this forum reflect what gets taught, mainly in British schools. So, if 'Prisoners of War' tends not to be taught, we won't have much on it. We will go and have a look for what we can find, but it will take a little time.

As for the 'Investiture Contest', I don't know about the rest of the moderating teachers, but I haven't looked at this since my undergraduate days. I am not sure any schools study this, and it seems you have already done a lot of research. Again, we will have a search, but we may not be able to add much to whatever you want to know. Was there a specific question you were interested in, as this does tend to make life easier?

Oh ok. It's ok, don't worry. And i meant the investiture conflict so i doubt you find anything on the contest anyways!

Well yes it's true, no schools really study this. I asked my teacher if we could do a quick one lesson (40mins) on prisoners of war after our slave trade topic. She agreed but then forgot about it....

Oh and i just studied the investiture conflict for fun; a teacher offered it to me after i did a mighty project on the crusades and it seemed very interesting, finally a non violent side (in physical terms)!

Right now i've got to do a page on the main reason for the development of the industrial Revolution. I believe it to be population but I'll search around on this forum; it's got so much help!

~Cyfer

[MrJohnDClare]

Cyfer, on Oct 3 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

Oh and i just studied the investiture conflict for fun

Hooray for Cyfer! Yes you are right - sometimes History IS just F...U...N!

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Right now i've got to do a page on the main reason for the development of the industrial Revolution. I believe it to be population but I'll search around on this forum

Really.
EVERYBODY cites population growth and I think they are SO wrong.
Population growth on its own just leads to famine - that's why, before the Ind Rev, there was a 'population ceiling' with regular plagues and famines to bring the population back down.
What was different about the Ind Rev was that, this time, the ceiling did NOT click in.
And it is discovering what caused THAT, I believe, that is the key to discovering the main cause of the Ind Rev.

Trade?
Agriculture?
The slave trade/West Indies?

Population growth by itself does NOT increase demand.
What caused economic growth is increased spending.

So what caused that...

[Mr. D. Bryant]

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Oh ok. It's ok, don't worry. And i meant the investiture conflict so i doubt you find anything on the contest anyways!

Terminology can be confusing, especially if it's a long time since one studied something, as in my case. As you seem very good at searching for relaible sources on the internet, I can't promise that you won't have come across these, but here goes. There is a collection of original documents here:

http://avalon.law.ya...nus/investm.asp

Another site for original documents, which I would recommend, is the Internet Medieval Sourcebook:

http://www.fordham.e...sall/sbook.html

The page you want is on the Empire and Papacy:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1l.htm...e%20Controversy

Google books has an incomplete preview version of this study; Blumenthal, Uta-Renate (1988). The Investiture Controversy: Church and Monarchy from the Ninth to the Twelfth Century. University of Philadelphia Press. As I am not yet able to do Mr. Clare's magic I will give you the full reference for you to copy and paste:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0tZhHot...;q=&f=false

I hope that this information is useful.

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Oh and i just studied the investiture conflict for fun; a teacher offered it to me after i did a mighty project on the crusades and it seemed very interesting, finally a non violent side (in physical terms)!

For someone who's really a scientist, you have a splendid attitude to History. However, given the amount of unrest in Germany in the late 11th century and the probable knock-on effects on the struggle for supremacy in Italy, I am not sure that I entirely agree with you about the Investiture Contest/Conflict/Controversy being non-violent!

[Cyfer]

MrJohnDClare, on Oct 3 2009, 09:18 PM, said:

Cyfer, on Oct 3 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

Oh and i just studied the investiture conflict for fun

Hooray for Cyfer! Yes you are right - sometimes History IS just F...U...N!

Quote

Right now i've got to do a page on the main reason for the development of the industrial Revolution. I believe it to be population but I'll search around on this forum

Really.
EVERYBODY cites population growth and I think they are SO wrong.
Population growth on its own just leads to famine - that's why, before the Ind Rev, there was a 'population ceiling' with regular plagues and famines to bring the population back down.
What was different about the Ind Rev was that, this time, the ceiling did NOT click in.
And it is discovering what caused THAT, I believe, that is the key to discovering the main cause of the Ind Rev.

Trade?
Agriculture?
The slave trade/West Indies?

Population growth by itself does NOT increase demand.
What caused economic growth is increased spending.

So what caused that...

Yes I've realized this as i read along with various sites but thanks anyway.

I focused on four main reasons since each one needed the others to develop and expand
Social (flexible government and classes, ok mainly middle class and middle class merchants)
Historical (Colonization and their use of wood as opposed to coal)
Economic (Creating the bank of England and imports from colonies)
Environmental (How they used wood for heat and energy instead of coal)

[Cyfer]

Mr. D. Bryant, on Oct 3 2009, 10:08 PM, said:

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Oh ok. It's ok, don't worry. And i meant the investiture conflict so i doubt you find anything on the contest anyways!

Terminology can be confusing, especially if it's a long time since one studied something, as in my case. As you seem very good at searching for relaible sources on the internet, I can't promise that you won't have come across these, but here goes. There is a collection of original documents here:

http://avalon.law.ya...nus/investm.asp

Another site for original documents, which I would recommend, is the Internet Medieval Sourcebook:

http://www.fordham.e...sall/sbook.html

The page you want is on the Empire and Papacy:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1l.htm...e%20Controversy

Google books has an incomplete preview version of this study; Blumenthal, Uta-Renate (1988). The Investiture Controversy: Church and Monarchy from the Ninth to the Twelfth Century. University of Philadelphia Press. As I am not yet able to do Mr. Clare's magic I will give you the full reference for you to copy and paste:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0tZhHot...;q=&f=false

I hope that this information is useful.

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Oh and i just studied the investiture conflict for fun; a teacher offered it to me after i did a mighty project on the crusades and it seemed very interesting, finally a non violent side (in physical terms)!

For someone who's really a scientist, you have a splendid attitude to History. However, given the amount of unrest in Germany in the late 11th century and the probable knock-on effects on the struggle for supremacy in Italy, I am not sure that I entirely agree with you about the Investiture Contest/Conflict/Controversy being non-violent!

thanks for the links Mr Bryant.

Although i did say that i was talking about the physical side of things here and just focusing on the political argument there was nearly no physical violence.