[kakayu]

Hey

This is not for school or anything, just for interst~
Just want to know more about Ancient Rome and Clepatra, and i have a question: What does Cleopatra looked like? I am pretty sure that she isn't 100% Egyptian! But her dad isn't Egyptian, right? Ahh, I am confused.

P.S For my China project, I got 80% !

Kakayu

[Mr Field]

Well, why not explore the research for yourself?

http://www.fmnh.org/cleopatra/
http://www.mrdowling...-cleopatra.html
http://ce.eng.usf.ed...story/cleo.html

[Mrs Faithorn]

kakayu, on Jun 2 2004, 01:23 AM, said:

P.S For my China project, I got 80% !

Delighted to hear about your excellent result for your China project, kakayu.

Well done!

[LyssieGirl]

No, she is a form of greek. I did a project on here here is my paper:

o-0 darn, i cant find it! thats upsetting! well she is very awesome, she had curly hair. a large nose though the men found her attractive with her personallity and over looked minor flaw. she was a smart women and interesting!

[Betty Boo]

kakayu, on Jun 2 2004, 12:23 AM, said:

Hey

This is not for school or anything, just for interst~
Just want to know more about Ancient Rome and Clepatra, and i have a question: What does Cleopatra looked like? I am pretty sure that she isn't 100% Egyptian! But her dad isn't Egyptian, right? Ahh, I am confused.

P.S For my China project, I got 80% !

Kakayu

Now i'am confused. How do u know here dad was not egyptian. What was he? :

[Miss Buxton]

try this website: Cleopatra: Queen of Egypt

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Cleopatra VII was born in 69 B.C. in Alexandria, which was then the capital of Egypt. Her father was Egypt's pharaoh, Ptolemy XII, Cleopatra's mother was probably Auletes's sister, Cleopatra V Tryphaena. (It was commonplace for members of the Ptolemaic dynasty to marry their siblings.) There was another Cleopatra in the family - Cleopatra VII's elder sister, Cleopatra VI. Cleopatra VII also had an older sister named Berenice; a younger sister, Arsinoe; and two younger brothers, both called Ptolemy.

The family was not truly Egyptian, but Macedonian. They were descended from Ptolemy I, a general of Alexander the Great who became king of Egypt after Alexander's death in 323 B.C.

[Mrs Faithorn]

The name of the site's not too auspicious admittedly, but then you are an historian, blixxard, are you not? ..... so you know there's great deal more to evaluating reliabilty than that. If name alone were the sole criterion by which one judged reliabilty I don't suppose one would give too much credence to someone called 'blixxard'.

Similarly, 'wikipedia' - which I must say I have found pretty reliable on the topics for which I have referred to it.

[Mrs Faithorn]

blixxard, on Dec 4 2004, 01:19 AM, said:

I found the name very amusing.
http://www.bellydanc...leo%20page.html - no evidence of who wrote it. No list of sources used.

Amusing - yes. Did you go back to at the index page to see the main focus of the site ? It's good to see you using your critical faculties late at night, but I suspect this is just copied from an online encyclopedia (without acknowledgement). I'm no expert on Cleopatra, but where I was sure of - my facts the 'belly dance' article seemed OK to me. When evaluating reliabilty you do need to consider more than just the provenance as I am aware you appreciate given what you say below about wikipedia/d'Orleans.

Anyway ....

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To be honest nothing beats a good old book!

We agree on that one.

[quote=Mrs Faithorn]I don't suppose one would give too much credence to someone called 'blixxard'.[/quote]
Nooo. That goes off my post count.


You got me started on wikipedia now

http://en.wikipedia....ke_of_Orl%E9ans

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Philippe was a professed atheist who boasted to read the satirical works of François Rabelais inside a Bible binding during mass, and liked to hold orgies even on religious high holidays.

I would strongly criticise/question that sentence. I cannot find any evidence to support wikipedia’s claim to Philippe as an atheist.

There was some other stuff on the partition of Poland, but too tired to remember.

Wikipedia is generally written by people who know a lot about the subject (well hopefully) but are sided to one point of view.

[/quote]

Can only repeat that thus far I have found wikipedia reliable enough whenever I have used it. YMMV.

I don't know enough about d'Orleans I'm afraid, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that a whole 'book' was unreliable on the basis of one or two pieces of evidence. It would make me more wary though and I shall check more carefully than usual in future. So thanks for that.

[Miss Buxton]

Perhaps you will find these websites more to your liking then:

http://www.egyptolog...m/cleopatra.htm


http://www.bbc.co.uk...patra_vii.shtml


A reply to Blizzard:

Yes I have to agree Bellydancer site was a strange name - but I hope it answered the question asked. Even if it served to point the student in another direction in searching for the answer.

A source of information is only as good as the research techniques employed by the historian who produced the information. You must also take into account the historians overall objective.

It is true the Internet is not the best place for a true academic historian to research -however it is a useful tool for younger students to begin to access information for their studies. I wish I had had the internet when I was at school (all those years ago )

It is at undergraduate level that the true nature of studying history becomes apparent. When studying historiography a good place to start is a book by EH Carr What is History? (1961), followed by Geoffrey Elton's The Practice of History and John Tosh, The Pursuit of History. All first year undergraduates of History should read these books.

[Mr Field]

.... and the same research skills still apply. Explore as wide a range of resources that you can find and then compare and contrast the sources. A 'BellyDance' website may well be run by an expert in the field of history, just as any old fool can pay £10 for an internet domain such as 'SchoolHistory.co.uk' and appear legitimate.

Wikipedia itself is quite a good example of people working together. The concept is that a page is produced and then reviewed and considered by as many people as possible. Thus one viewpoint can then be countered and challenged by others. In some ways you could consider it the ultimate history book.

Of course there are additional concerns but as long as you are personally aware of any concerns you can take these into account in your analysis.

[Molly7]

kakayu, on Jun 2 2004, 12:23 AM, said:

Hey

This is not for school or anything, just for interst~
Just want to know more about Ancient Rome and Clepatra, and i have a question: What does Cleopatra looked like? I am pretty sure that she isn't 100% Egyptian! But her dad isn't Egyptian, right? Ahh, I am confused.

P.S For my China project, I got 80% !

Kakayu

hey
ok so apparently she didnt have the black bob with the fring like every1 says she is she achully had tight red curls
c ya
xxxx
molly

[MrJohnDClare]

Molly7, on Nov 10 2008, 08:05 PM, said:

apparently she didnt have the black bob with the fring like every1 says she is she achully had tight red curls
c ya
xxxx
molly

And your evidence is...
You cannot just say something like this, especially when it is a controversial subject.
Cheap 'pseudo-historical' books come out with this kind of 'amazing fact', but very often they are wrong.
You need to cite your sources, and then weigh their reliability before you can say something like this.

May be true, of course - but you need to tell me how you know/why I should believe you.

[candipops]

Molly7, on Nov 10 2008, 08:05 PM, said:

kakayu, on Jun 2 2004, 12:23 AM, said:

Hey

This is not for school or anything, just for interst~
Just want to know more about Ancient Rome and Clepatra, and i have a question: What does Cleopatra looked like? I am pretty sure that she isn't 100% Egyptian! But her dad isn't Egyptian, right? Ahh, I am confused.

P.S For my China project, I got 80% !

Kakayu

hey
ok so apparently she didnt have the black bob with the fring like every1 says she is she achully had tight red curls
c ya
xxxx
molly

who said she had a bob though? All of the bobbed hairstyle thing, is from the movies. Since all the paintings show her hair just longer than the elbow.(i mean the egyptian ones not the artistic,modern representations.